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    Tbh, if you think that those small numbers actually differ you from a good or a bad player you're totally wrong.
    It's strong, OP? No. The US ladder has almost everyone in top 15 as ... Guess what? Horde. Orcs.

    I just guess people don't know this yet. CC reduction, meaning stuns. A CCed DPS is a bad DPS. You can imagine that a say, a) Trapped target can be cleansed, wyveren target can be cleansed, fear can be cleansed, literally many CCs can. A few can't, but most can. However, stuns? No.There's no way to get rid of stuns. You have trinket and that's it. However the orc racial ability? 15%? You're probably sitting a good 15 seconds in stun in 3s matches that last for less than 3-4 minutes, while longer you'll sit more. However, with the orc racial? That's 15% less.

    Stunned for 10 seconds = 8,5.
    Stunned for 15 seconds = 12.75.
    Stunned for 20 seconds = 17
    Etc.

    And if you're being focused, or stunned, you can imagine that you'll get stunned for more than 20 seconds in a match. There's NO WHERE, a trinket of either the choices proc or use would be able to change the damage dealt or even the CC you can do, not to mention how you can actually change the gameplay or even get the kill with the 15% extra freedom. People just think, OH MORE DAMAGE FROM THE TRINKET ZOMG CUZ OBVIOUSLY IN HIGH RATED GAMES YOU DON'T GET FOCUSED OR CCED WHEN YOU DO SO HUEHUEHUEHEUHEHUHUEHUEHUE.

    Really.. Let's now add that the orcs have their AP buff aswell, it all adds up pretty good.

    Either way, it's not OP. Probably better than a few racials, not best. I've missed with quite a few hits in a row against night elfs with my hits. Let's not mention Will of the forsaken which literally is a DOUBLE CD against fear and charms. Obviously with a DR of 30 seconds with the pvp trinket, however it's just 30 seconds... You most likely wont get a fear twice, due to DR. Being able to break both of the fears, or charms unaffected by DR is strong. Even the Dwarfs 10% DMG reduction is good, now that we have such huge battle fatigue, one of the lesser good, but still competetive. Not to mention screwing up a feral druid by removing all of his bleeds. 5 Combo point rip + rake, there's a few globals wasted every 2 min there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kezotar View Post
    Let's not mention Will of the forsaken which literally is a DOUBLE CD against fear and charms. Obviously with a DR of 30 seconds with the pvp trinket, however it's just 30 seconds... You most likely wont get a fear twice, due to DR.
    as a rogue if you will a fear against a team with a stun you will most certainly be swapped on due to not being able to trinket the stun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wootylicious View Post
    as a rogue if you will a fear against a team with a stun you will most certainly be swapped on due to not being able to trinket the stun.
    That would be handy to be a Orc then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kezotar View Post
    That would be handy to be a Orc then.
    The subject is WoD though. Orc and Undead racials are heavily nerfed there, EMFH is the same.
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    That would be amazing.
    Just imagine 20 warrior joining a 20man deathmatch.

    BLAAAADSTOOOORMMM

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    People seem to ignore that the whole game is changing around EMFH, even if the ability does not change it doesn't mean it isn't nerfed.

    First, consider that CC and burst are both being tuned down. That in itself may make the universal CC breaker ability less valueable.

    Second, we don't know how PvP Trinkets will be itemized. We do know two things about Trinkets: (1) they will have the same stats as PvE Trinkets and (2) there's no PvP Power anymore. As such, if the Insignia has the same passive benefits as other PvP Trinkets, then having EMFH is essentially just being able to have either an additional proc or a on-use CD. Other races have their own racial procs or on-use CDs, so it kinda makes it more even. Humans won't have an extra 5% damage from PvP Power anymore.

    Third, changes to EMFH may still be coming. They said they'd first define how PvP Trinkets would work to see if EMFH would need to be replaced or nerfed. Since we don't know how PvP Trinkets will functions (beyond retaining the Two-Trinket bonus 10% damage reduction from players), it's still too early to see if EMFH will stay the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermahgerd View Post
    EMFG isn't OP, all the other alliance racials besides nelf are just complete dogshit compared to EMFH.
    Every Man For Greg. On topic EMFG is fine if it was OP it would have been removed ages ago since Blizzard wouldn't want Alliance to get ahead.

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    I'm sure I can remember the racial being nerfed before to make the CD 3 minutes then they changed it back not long after that. Personally don't mind the racial it is the extra PvP power bonus that humans get that annoys me. They already get extra Agil/Int/Str to use when they want so why do they also get extra PvP power?

    Imo they should just make it regardless of trinket setup you get the same PvP power and that would tone down the human racial slightly.

    Even with the other people using the PvP trinket for freedom and gaining 1905 Crit/spirit etc, that still would not even come close to the extra 4765 primary stat on use when they want to burst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whysper View Post
    I'm sure I can remember the racial being nerfed before to make the CD 3 minutes then they changed it back not long after that. Personally don't mind the racial it is the extra PvP power bonus that humans get that annoys me. They already get extra Agil/Int/Str to use when they want so why do they also get extra PvP power?

    Imo they should just make it regardless of trinket setup you get the same PvP power and that would tone down the human racial slightly.

    Even with the other people using the PvP trinket for freedom and gaining 1905 Crit/spirit etc, that still would not even come close to the extra 4765 primary stat on use when they want to burst.
    Indeed they did. Because after they changed it near all players re-rolled and there was literally no humans in sight. Your latter part seems to ignore that every other race has its own strong racial for extra dmg/haste/fear breaker/silence ect

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsubodia View Post
    Your latter part seems to ignore that every other race has its own strong racial for extra dmg/haste/fear breaker/silence ect
    It doesn't when you consider the human racial does alot of this too where it can act like a fear breaker, root breaker, stun breaker etc. It is a jack of all trades and can work like a gnomes racial (example) and still offer extra boosts that a gnome wouldn't have. Look at the racials people are questioning:

    EMFH = free trinket = More PvP Power + Main Stat boost and in some cases more crit when used
    WotF = Fear/sleep breaker = Crit/Spirit etc boost
    Stoneform = Dispell = Crit/Spirit etc boost
    Shadowmeld = Vanish = Crit/Spirit etc boost

    and so on and so on.

    Every racial only offers one boost in something because of the need to use a PvP freedom trinket, With the humans not needing this they gain 2 boosts instead of just one like everyone else. That being +PvP Power over others and an on use main stat boost that will in the case of Agility and Intelect offer crit too. So for some classes this racial actually offers 3 boosts over other racials.

    The only other racial that comes close to the human one is Orcs Bloodfury, even then that doesn't offer a main stat so you do not gain crit from it. It either offers AP or SP.

    Imo the boost in main stat alone is enough to make that racial worth it, the fact it also allows more PvP Power is just silly imo.
    Last edited by Whysper; 2014-07-13 at 11:16 AM.

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    Human spirit isn't buffing primary stats, its only buffing secondary stats, crit, haste and mastery or multistrike. and wasn't blizz toying with the idea of giving Orcs EMFH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malakath View Post
    Human spirit isn't buffing primary stats, its only buffing secondary stats, crit, haste and mastery or multistrike. and wasn't blizz toying with the idea of giving Orcs EMFH?
    Never said it wasn't. I am only talking about EMFH. With the extra trinket slot they gain way more stats than any other race in the game for PvP (explained in last post). To me that should not be because of a racial. But if you want to add in the spirit then they get even more again :P

    Haven't heard of that idea at all, maybe missed it but don't recall that ever being mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kezotar View Post
    Tbh, if you think that those small numbers actually differ you from a good or a bad player you're totally wrong.
    It's strong, OP? No. The US ladder has almost everyone in top 15 as ... Guess what? Horde. Orcs.
    its because theyre only playing against horde

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