The majority of WoW subscribers do not RAID or PVP.

[Sussex]

So what do they even do?

I doubt more than 5% of the population raids 3-5+ nights a week

I doubt more then 5% of the population actually does any sort of legit rated pvp


so what exactly are the huge majority of WoW subs doing in WoW...just casually leveling characters or something year round or are they just all gold farmers/bots from asia?

[Serissa]

Do you understand that mentioned "majority" doesn't read or post on this forum? They probably didn't even hear about mmo-c.

What sort of reply do you want to hear here?

[Deleted]

They chat with friends, do some dailies, might do a dungeon, go farm mats etc.. Really this isn't news, it has been like that pretty much since launch.

[Zoaric]

Soloing; socializing; exploring; farming: mats, pets, mounts, weapons, gear, items,
reputation; pet battling; playing the Auction House; Brawler's Guild; dungeons;
scenarios; leveling alts; doing daily/weekly/repeatable/regular quests...

EDIT: Forgot hunting achievements and role-playing. I guess erotic role-playing too.
Also griefing.

[Darksoldierr]

Well, when i'm in out in the world, i make sure that everyone PvPs

[Sussex]

Do you understand that mentioned "majority" doesn't read or post on this forum? The probably didn't even hear about mmo-c.

What sort of reply do you want to hear here?

Im just wondering how a game can hold so many millions of subs.....yet barely any of those subs actually raid or pvp. It boggles my mind that millions upon millions of accounts could be maintained with only a few % of them actually doing anything in the "endgame". Especially considering WoW is very much all based on end-game content now with leveling being so fast and easy...blizzard wants everyone to be playing endgame content, they haven't put much time into the start-mid game...its all bout rushing to max level and doing pvp or pve......but then you look the stats are the vast majority of subs dont even do either of those things.......hence im wondering wtf the majority of people even do in WoW if they dont pvp or pve in the endgame.

[Feel The Power]

Well just because you're not doing rated pvp doesn't mean you don't enjoy doing bg's or going out in the world for trouble. I spent like 8 years playing about 85% of the game solo, barely raided or associated with people. I mainly just loved bg's, dailies, and world pvp. For most this is a boring way to play, for me it was what kept me occupied after work for hours for years. I feel I was a great pvp'er, and did well when I did go in arenas, but I just hate playing with people most of the time or having them depend on me.
Before they beefed up guards in capital cities I was the bane of Org for a long time on my rogue. To me sneaking around places like that and killing random people was more fun than scripted raids.

[Lime]

• Run Dungeons
• Solo Old Content
• Professions
• Socialize with friends that still play
• Achievement Hunt
• Dailies
• BGs
• World PvP (even if it's just 3 people)

Really, there's a lot to do out there...

[Sussex]

• Run Dungeons
• Solo Old Content
• Professions
• Socialize with friends that still play
• Achievement Hunt
• Dailies
• BGs

Really, there's a lot to do out there...

As an ex-hardcore no life nerd raider (2004-2008 RIP my raiding years) I have to say I just can't imagine those things keeping people in the game for longer than a few months considering WoW is not a sandbox MMORPG. Ive always seen the whole point of WoW just being end game because it is a theme-park MMO....ie; going for gladiator...having a new chance every season...or raiding...always trying to better your toon...carrot on the stick sort of thing.

[Zoaric]

As an ex-hardcore no life nerd raider (2004-2008 RIP my raiding years) I have to say I just can't imagine those things keeping people in the game for longer than a few months considering WoW is not a sandbox MMORPG.

Try my post (#4) out for size then. Different strokes for different folks.

[Deleted]

I am in that group. I have been playing since Vanilla and was a hardcore raider from Vanilla to Wotlk, but life changes and you stop having the same amount of free time that you had in the past so I had to change the way I play WOW.

During Cataclysm I did heroic dungeons, bought the valor gear pieces, did a bit of PVP here and there, the occasional battleground or world PVP and the rest of the time I spent farming mounts or pets for my hunter.

During MOP I started by only doing heroics too and only started doing LFR much later in the expansion because I wanted the legendary cloak. Got all the pieces I wanted and then completely skipped all other PVE related events(never entered Flex or anything higher than that). Only did 2 bgs during MOP for the legendary cloak quest and the rest of the time I spent either farming pets for my hunter or collecting battle pets, which I used to get the acchievements I wanted. Rest of the time I farmed Onyxia and Kael's mount, along with ZG ones. In the last few months I have been farming gold to reach the gold cap and eventually buy a mount in the black market.

[ComputerNerd]

Im just wondering how a game can hold so many millions of subs.....yet barely any of those subs actually raid or pvp. It boggles my mind that millions upon millions of accounts could be maintained with only a few % of them actually doing anything in the "endgame". Especially considering WoW is very much all based on end-game content now with leveling being so fast and easy...blizzard wants everyone to be playing endgame content, they haven't put much time into the start-mid game...its all bout rushing to max level and doing pvp or pve......but then you look the stats are the vast majority of subs dont even do either of those things.......hence im wondering wtf the majority of people even do in WoW if they dont pvp or pve in the endgame.

It boggles your mind that players can get something different out of the game than you do ?
This is a major part of what is wrong with the community, that people can't accept that what they enjoy does not appeal to everyone else.

[Zoaric]

Which kinda shows that the video game market right now is controlled by a big mass of stupid and ignorant on the consumer side. People that don't really know or understand what they want from a game, but who just purchase what commercials tell them to.

Or, shockingly, people enjoy different things.

[Keristrasza]

As an ex-hardcore no life nerd raider (2004-2008 RIP my raiding years) I have to say I just can't imagine those things keeping people in the game for longer than a few months considering WoW is not a sandbox MMORPG. Ive always seen the whole point of WoW just being end game because it is a theme-park MMO....ie; going for gladiator...having a new chance every season...or raiding...always trying to better your toon...carrot on the stick sort of thing.

This is the majority of my day, if I'm not doing this then I am bullshitting with friends and doing other things like Naked runs in old raids like Kara, etc.

[Lime]

As an ex-hardcore no life nerd raider (2004-2008 RIP my raiding years) I have to say I just can't imagine those things keeping people in the game for longer than a few months considering WoW is not a sandbox MMORPG. Ive always seen the whole point of WoW just being end game because it is a theme-park MMO....ie; going for gladiator...having a new chance every season...or raiding...always trying to better your toon...carrot on the stick sort of thing.

Is it really that hard to accept that people play the game for reasons other than your own?

[Sussex]

Is it really that hard to accept that people play the game for reasons other than your own?

Coming from the perspective of someone whose entire enjoyment in WoW came around doing endgame content....yes it can be very hard to comprehend. Considering since the start-mid game feels empty/dead/pointless compared to being on the cutting edge of endgame content whether it be pvp or pve wise.

The whole motivation for doing stuff outside of endgame content for me got boring after the first few months i played WoW in 2004/2005. After that it was all about being in ZG/MC/BWL and AQ/Naxx when it came out. And in TBC it was the same thing...Kara to Gruuls to Mags lair to SSC to TK to Hyjal to Black Temple and eventually to the Sunwell. I was so distracted by the endgame in WoW during those years that it made everything else in the game feel like it wasn't worth doing...infact the only time I felt like doing anything outside of raiding was the netherwing drake rep...or the daily area on the isle outside of sunwell.

[Zoaric]

That would be the euphemistic way of putting it, yeah.

I think it's more of a literal way of putting it.

[roahn the warlock]

I've always seriously doubted that statistic

[PrairieChicken]

People are often ignorant about how actually small the "majority" is

[roahn the warlock]

There isn't much to accept or reject, it's just the way things are.

But for any 'gamer' it should cause a few questions to arise in the back of their heads:

1. If 95% of the subscriber base does not participate in endgame activities then WoW's endgame can be scratched from the list as one of the qualities of the game that warrants it having such a large playerbase. When 6 million players just dabble in leveling up characters between levels 1 and 90 and show no interest in character progression beyond that point then why would any MMO put any development time and resources on an endgame at all?

2. If the main activity of the main mass of subscribers is to play around with "go kill 10 boar quests", then what is the point behind the recent trend of questioning quest quality in RPGs? There lately have been many reviews and column pieces on the state of quests in MMOs, praising the ingenuity of quests in Secret World and the storyline / voice-acted quests in Elder Scrolls Online, while at the same time bashing the dullness of WoW and Wildstar's typical: 'Go kill x boar'-type quests. Apparently the main mass of subscribers does not have a taste for 'quality'?

^ pretty much this, is my question.

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People are often ignorant about how actually small the "majority" is

Yeah, by majority do they mean 30% raid, 30% pvp, and 40% dungeon?