RIP Fury

[Lothar]

First of all ill just say "One more OMG the sky is falling topic."

the sky IS falling. fury is dead and broken.

[Skarssen]

Look around you. The sky isn't falling. It already fell and is crushing you into the ground.

[Sesshou]

You know how much Warriors would give to be in that camp right now? I'd literally be ok with not having level 100 talents to go back to MoP 5.4 Fury and 4.3 Arms.

Would you be happy with 3.1? Probably not because all those things you're unhappy about losing are things you've gotten recently (and by recently, I mean cata and mop). We've been losing more than we've been gaining starting with cata.

[Shadowspire]

So did anyone hear that fury is losing colossus smash?
I play in the beta and without this ability and replacement I can say its dead
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If no new abilities get put in this class is gone can't use it for pvp anymore tg fury barely feels like it keeps up with ret and dks and SMF think I'm the only fury war who even wants it to survive at this point and it's just the fucking snail in the dps Melee race.
So no you can't downplay how bad this shit is cause it's really really fucking bad.

[Gurg]

So did anyone hear that fury is losing colossus smash?
I play in the beta and without this ability and replacement I can say its dead
D
E
A
D
If no new abilities get put in this class is gone can't use it for pvp anymore tg fury barely feels like it keeps up with ret and dks and SMF think I'm the only fury war who even wants it to survive at this point and it's just the fucking snail in the dps Melee race.
So no you can't downplay how bad this shit is cause it's really really fucking bad.

Im on beta. I wasnt aware of this upcoming change until Crisius mentioned it in his post. Ill check it out when servers come back online but so far.. Doesnt it mean that fury will be simply no brainer? I mean.. it looks to me like.. i dont know how it looks like, i dont even have slightest idea how will that play out.
Well, i guess that well have to wait and see what they have in store for fury.

[Eranthe]

Actually no, i play my warrior for "alt runs" but, as i said, im NOT min maxing him, that means i do play him and i do read changes that are happening but im not following much theoryc that is happening behind changes, but i do read other threads in this forum too to keep my self in the loop. I did look last pages and i said that they are more QQing than constructive replies.
As i stated i never went deep in the theoryc for fury's so, mechanically wise i didnt say a thing, nor i said that you or anyone else wrong for pointing out mechanical flaws of new rotation. Last few pages were more orientated on playstyle and how much fun are the changes, where i read a lot of qqing to "fun factor" that new rotation brings so i replied to that from my personal opinion after playing fury since FL and last couple of months in beta. So by saying that spec is more fun than it actually looks on first look is nothing bad, right?
Of course, i expected that my line about rolling a monk or enhance would be flamed so its nothing new, i dont say that you need to or that you should reroll as all "core" stuff is still there as it always was. I said that, based on a quote that i posted about "near-perfect rotation," where stuff like DoTs are mentioned, DoTs that fury doesnt have (outside Bloodbath) quite some time now.
Again, i must specify that i havent mentioned anything about mechanic as i already said, i was refering to "fun" factor which i claimed that is still there after short time that it took me to get used to changes. I havent read much lately about warrior changes, theoryc that i read up to was just before RB got buffed to extend CS window, personally the change that i really dont like so i stopped there and im not involving my self in theoryc topics as i would do more damage than contribute.
My point was that warrior is still "fun" to play because all "core stuff" is still there, explained why i think so and that was it.


I agree on this, a LOT of stuff has been simply removed, made passive or cut out for the sake of dumbing the class, not just warriors but several more. I for one dont support that kind of policy where theres small learning curve. I support steep learning curves that simply define are you a good or exceptional warrior. Im in WoW since day 1 of vanilla up until now and for that time i'we been on and off couple of times. For me BC and LK were the best expansions that this game served where learning curve was extremely high and there was a clear definition between dedicated and casual player. I do agree that dev team simply went bonkers and its full lazyness they dumbed down the game so much that its funny to see it. I must again mention different class here and say: just look what they did to druids DoC in WoD, in all their lazyness they split it into two talents now.
Ill be honest here and say that personally i LOVED the idea of warriors having a dot or short buff that they had to manage and, for me, ignite weapon was perfect for a warrior. but they removed it for the sake of dumbing down the spec and gave us modified Stormbolt instead of it. During that phase of beta i had great fun playing my fury. I already mentioned RB change to affect CS a bith higher so i wont mention it here again.



I Presume, from what i saw lvl 100 talents are quite.. unimaginative and i was quite disappointed when i saw them. A lot of them looks like split talents from MoP (5.4 Dream of Cenarius > 6.0 Dream of Cenarius+Bloodtalons), next to them are the talents that are copy/paste (Holy Avenger > Serenity) just their "theme" has been changed to fit the class they are put to.
TBH, to me, it looks like devs spent far to much time on "world" and everything in it than on classes in game as im really disappointed in pretty much 70% of talents implemented, specially since i expected much from lvl100 talents, like iconic lvl100.


Crisius, i know that You are a great poster and that you contributed much to community, i do keep up with Your posts, but i really need to ask you, are you sure? I was playing fury/arms just last night and CS was there. Again, since You said that my post was bashing, i must stress out that i was referring to FUN factor about which i read last few pages, i never mentioned or got into any mechanical stuff behind fury.

Edit: I just now read up on upcoming fury changes. Damn, i dont like them even more now. D:

use the enter key. break up your paragraphs, it's hard to read. also, fun factor for your is totally different than fun factor for someone else. fury, with at least 550 item level gear, is very fun for me. there's kind of a heartbeat to it where you go all out for a few seconds and then rest and recharge for the next time.

WoD's rotation changes turn that heartbeat into a random clusterfuck of hitting abilities with different global cooldowns in somewhat random order. it might be furious, but that's all it is. it's not interesting, it's not fun, and it's not something that i care to play.

[Nouway]

Gladiator rotation feels completely like current fury on Live and it has been stated several times by blue posters that IT WILL BE competitive DPS spec, as for its AoE.. Revenge+TC+Ravager.

Please tell me how do I spec into both Gladiator Stance and Ravager.

[Smittzz]

my paint skills are almost as good as the class dev team

[Sativ]

Fury will never be as fun as Burning Crusade BT->Sunwell. RIP indeed friends.

[Saverem]

Fury will never be as fun as Burning Crusade BT->Sunwell. RIP indeed friends.

Look in the bright side... jk there is no bright side lol.

[Deleted]

well atleast i don't have to think anymore

[Jijek]

Fury should just be reverted to 1handers only and more of a melee enhance.

[Zirhark]

I feel like this image properly sums up my feelings towards Celestalon.



On topic, I am saddened to hear the remaining depth to fury has been removed. If UQT wasn't so good right now, Sudden Death could help spice it up. Alas we'll have to see where the numbers land.

[Jcav299]

So....I was thinking about changing to a warrior as my main....im guessing thats not a good idea now?

[inboundpaper]

-snip-

Is that Todd Howard in there?

[THE Bigzoman]

Like the idea, execution will be shit. Especially if there's windows where i'm just spamming buttons on my naga and getting carpal tunnel.

[nertharul]

I'm not on beta and i'm scared, what spec would i be able to actually play when WOD hits?? anyone could answer with out trolling thnx

[Deleted]

I'm not on beta and i'm scared, what spec would i be able to actually play when WOD hits?? anyone could answer with out trolling thnx

We wont know until the final tuning is done

[Archimtiros]

I'm not on beta and i'm scared, what spec would i be able to actually play when WOD hits?? anyone could answer with out trolling thnx

Vague question, hard to answer. Fury is engaging but braindead, meaning there are always buttons to hit but it really doesn't matter when/if/how you hit them. If you enjoyed Wrath Fury (ICC) you are pretty much going to jump up and down with joy.

If you enjoyed MoP era of Fury, where snap decision making was important and your rotation built off itself and rewarded careful execution and proper play, then you'll be sorely disappointed and find WoD Warriors to be boring as hell.

Arms is even worse off, no procs, no mechanics to speak of and not enough rage to fill GCDs makes it a very boring spec indeed.

[Roshar]

Btw, the removal of CS makes having Hamstring macro'd to everything have no downside right? After they nerfed Hamstring's weapon damage, I considered not using the Spamstring macro since the payoff wasn't worth it. But now it's Spamstring all the way right?