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    [Protection] WoD Alpha/Beta Info & Discussion

    Beta is upon us! There will be lots of information trickling in through in the next few weeks, and we'll try to compile them nicely here. Good or bad, paladins are one of the classes to receive the least amount of changes this time around. Please use this thread to ask, discuss and theorycraft changes to us in the beta.

    For the full, current official beta notes (updated June 18th): HERE
    Previous Warlords of Draenor Protection Megathread: HERE


    Official Notes

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    We made a few additional changes to Paladins. We revised the functionality of Hammer of the Righteous a bit, such that its performance is about the same, but its tooltip is much clearer. We also made Stay of Execution much more attractive to use as an emergency button. We also revised how Eternal Flame interacts with Holy Power, and allowed it to once again trigger Illuminated Healing. One big change for Retribution that isn't mentioned here is the removal of Inquisition (see Ability Pruning), which will have a notable effect on their rotation.

    • Eternal Flame’s periodic healing effect has been changed. Its duration now scales with Holy Power, instead of its healing. Its effect at 3 Holy Power remains unchanged.
    • Hammer of the Righteous now deals 50% Physical weapon damage (up from 15%) to the primary target, but the primary target is no longer hit with the Holy damage.
    • Illuminated Healing can once again be triggered by Eternal Flame.
    • Seals no longer cost any mana.
    • Stay of Execution (the Holy version of Execution Sentence) now deals its healing in a large burst at first, and then decreasing over time (reversed from before).
    • Supplication now also increases Flash of Light’s healing by 50%.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Secondary Stat Attunements

    A new concept that we’re introducing is each specialization having an attunement to a particular secondary stat. These take the form of a passive ability that grants a 5% increase to the amount of a specific secondary stat gained. This provides a good starting point for where to focus your secondary stats. Usually, it will be your highest throughput stat (not counting Spirit for Healers, and Bonus Armor for Tanks, which is an optimal secondary stat in most cases). There are exceptions, and raw throughput may not even be the biggest concern in some situations. Treat this as a guideline, not a rule, about which secondary stat to favor.

    Paladin
    Holy: Critical Strike
    Protection: Haste
    Retribution: Mastery

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Ability Pruning

    We attempt to prune abilities with the intent to reduce the amount of keybind/macro bloat and merging abilities that served a similar purpose but are otherwise redundant together.

    Paladin

    • Avenging Wrath is no longer available to Protection Paladins.
    • Daybreak now heals all allies within 10 yards for 15% of Holy Shock's healing (instead of 75%, split between each ally).
    • Divine Favor has been removed.
    • Divine Light has been renamed Holy Light.
    • Divine Plea has been removed. Mana costs for Paladins have been adjusted accordingly.
    • Guardian of Ancient Kings is now only available to Protection Paladins.
    • Hand of Salvation has been removed.
    • Holy Light has been removed.
    • Inquisition has been removed.
    • Judgments of the Bold has been removed.
      • Judgment is now naturally free for Holy Paladins, and naturally generates 1 Holy Power for Retribution Paladins.
    • Seal of Righteousness is no longer available to Holy Paladins.
    • Seal of Truth is no longer available to Holy Paladins.
    • The Art of War has been removed.
    • Exorcism's cooldown now naturally has a chance to be reset on auto attacks.
    • Tower of Radiance has been removed.
      • Beacon of Light now naturally generates 1 Holy Power when healing the target of Beacon of Light with Flash of Light or Divine Light.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Instant Cast Heals

    Over time, healers have gained a bigger and bigger arsenal of heals that they can cast while on the move, which removes the inherent cost that movement is intended to have for them, while also limiting players’ ability to counter healing in PvP. This left Silences and crowd control (which we’re trying to curb) as the only ways to actually limit an enemy player's healing output. We're still preserving the option to instantly heal, but are reducing the number of instant-cast healing abilities overall. Raid and dungeon encounter damage during high-movement phases will be adjusted accordingly. Here are some examples:

    Paladin
    • Eternal Flame now has a 1.5-second cast time (up from instant cast) for Holy Paladins.
    • Guarded by the Light (Protection) now also makes Word of Glory and Eternal Flame instant cast.
    • Light of Dawn now has a 1.5-second cast time (up from instant cast).
    • Sword of Light (Retribution) now also makes Word of Glory and Eternal Flame instant cast.
    • Word of Glory now has a 1.5-second cast time (up from instant cast).
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Crowd Control and Diminishing Returns

    Another big takeaway from Mists of Pandaria is that there was simply too much crowd control (CC) in the game. To solve that, we knew that we needed an across-the-board disarmament. Here's a summary of the player-cast CC changes:

    • Removed Silence effects from Interrupts. Silences still exist, but are never attached to an Interrupt.
    • Removed all Disarms.
    • Reduced the number of Diminishing Returns (DR) categories.
      • All Roots now share the same DR category.
        • Exception: Roots on 'Charge' types of abilities have no DR category, but have a very short duration instead.
      • All Stuns now share the same DR category.
      • All Incapacitate ("Mesmerize") effects now share the same DR category, and have been merged with the Horror DR category.
    • Removed the ability to make cast-time CC spells instant with a cooldown.
    • Removed many CC spells entirely, and increased the cooldowns and restrictions on others.
      • Pet-cast CC is more limited and often removed.
      • Cyclone can now be dispelled by Immunities and Mass Dispel.
      • PvP trinkets now grant immunity to reapplication of an effect from the same spell cast, when they break abilities with persistent effects like Solar Beam.
      • Long fears are now shorter in PvP, to account for the target also needing to run back afterward.

    Additionally, we've significantly reduced the number of throughput-increasing cooldowns and procs, in order to further reduce burst damage. Please keep in mind when reading the specifics of the patch notes that some classes may have lost abilities, or had the power of select abilities reduced. These changes were made in the context of the above goals. Other classes have a reduced crowd-control ability overall. We believe that this entire package of changes will make PvP a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

    Paladin
    • Blinding Light has been removed.
    • Repentance's cast time has been increased to 1.7 seconds.
    • Turn Evil's cast time has been increased to 1.7 seconds and now has a 6-second duration in PvP (down from 8 seconds).
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Protection Changes

    For Protection, we tweaked Eternal Flame in order to reduce its massive self-healing amount, and provide better balance between talents on that row. We also added a new passive, Shining Protector, in order to give defensive value to the new Multistrike stat.

    • Bastion of Glory no longer affects the periodic healing of Eternal Flame. It still affects the direct healing portion of the ability.
    • Shining Protector is a new passive ability for Protection Paladins. Shining Protector: All heals you receive have a chance equal to your Multistrike chance to trigger Shining Protector, healing you for an additional 30% of the triggering heal.
    • Mastery: Divine Bulwark now also passively increases Attack Power by 8% (percentage increased by Mastery), in addition to its current effects.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Tank Vengeance and Resolve

    The changes to tanking made in Mists of Pandaria turned out quite well, overall. But there were a few rough parts that we're going to smooth over. The biggest one is the offensive capabilities of Vengeance. We like that tanks can provide meaningful DPS to their group, however, it swung wildly based on the fight, even surpassing the dedicated damage dealers occasionally. To solve this, we're going to remove the offensive value of Vengeance, but preserve the defensive value, by making it increase the effect of your active mitigation buttons, instead of Attack Power.

    General
    • Vengeance has been removed and replaced with a new passive ability, Resolve.
      • Resolve: Increases your healing and absorption done to yourself, based on Stamina and damage taken (before avoidance and mitigation) in the last 10 seconds.

    Then, to keep tank DPS meaningful, we'll be raising their damage, since it would be meager with no Vengeance Attack Power (Vengeance accounted for 70-90% of a tank's damage on high-tank-damage fights in Mists). To do that, we're increasing the damage of several prominent tank abilities.For plate-wearing Tank specializations, Riposte has been redesigned to convert Critical Strike into Parry, a defensive stat. That also helps keep secondary stats balanced in offensive value for them.

    General
    • Riposte is a passive ability for Blood Death Knights, Protection Paladins, and Protection warriors.
      • Riposte now gives the character Parry equal to their Critical Strike bonus from gear.
    • All tanking stances and similar effects now increases threat generated by 900% (up from 600%).

    Paladin
    • Mastery: Divine Bulwark now also passively increases Attack Power by 8% (percentage increased by Mastery), in addition to its current effects.

    New Talent Tree

















    New Glyphs



    Datamined changes since the most recent official notes (updated June 18th) - All Specs

    Keep in mind that these changes are not final, and a great deal could change before the expansion ships!

    Beta Build 18505
    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    • Reckoning Taunts the target to attack you, and increases threat that you generate against the target by 200% for 3 sec. 3.5% of Base Mana. 30 yd range. Instant. 8 sec cooldown.

    Protection
    • Grand Crusader When you dodge or parry avoid a melee attack you have a 30% chance of refreshing the cooldown on your next Avenger's Shield and causing it to generate 1 Holy Power. Paladin - Protection Spec.



    Alpha Build 18471

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion


    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    Holy & Retribution
    • Supplication For 8 sec after you kill an enemy that yields experience or honor, your next Flash of Light will be increased by 100% and has 50% increased critical strike chance.Paladin - Holy & Retribution Spec.

    Holy, Protection, Retribution
    • Flash of Light Heals a friendly target for [ 185.3% of Spell Power ;]. Paladin - Holy, Protection, Retribution Spec;]. 23% of Base Mana. 40 yd range. 1.5 sec cast.



    Alpha Build 18443

    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    • Item - Paladin T17 Holy 2P Bonus Increases the healing of Word of Glory and Light of Dawn by 10%. When you cast Word of Glory, you gain Light's Favor, which lets you cast a free Light of Dawn at 25% effectiveness. When you cast Light of Dawn, you gain Lawful Words, which lets you cast a free Word of Glory at 25% effectiveness.
    • Item - Paladin T17 Retribution 2P Bonus Increases the damage of Crusader Strike by 10%. Judgment has a 101% chance to immediately deal 10% of the total damage of your Censure effect to the target.
    • Item - Paladin T17 Retribution 4P Bonus Using Templar's Verdict or Divine Storm empowers has a 30% chance to empower you with Crusader's Fury. Crusader's Fury increases all damage dealt by 5% for 5 sec. allows the use of Hammer of Wrath regardless of your target's current health.



    Originally Posted by MMO-Champion
    General - All Specs
    • Beacon of Light The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all party and raid members within 0 to 60 yards. Only one target can be the Beacon of Light at a time. Beacon of Light Your spells Your heals on other party or raid members will also heal the Beacon for a percentage of Light target for up to 50% of the amount healed. Your Holy Radiance, Light of Dawn, Light's Hammer, and Holy Prism will heal for 15% of the amount healed. All other heals will heal for 50% of the amount healed. 60 yd range. Instant. Flash of Light and Holy Light on the Beacon of Light target will also generate 1 Holy Power. 60 yd range. Instant.
    • Crusader Strike An instant strike that causes 100% weapon damage plus 0. Requires Melee Weapon. 15% of Base Mana. Melee range. Instant. 4.5 sec cooldown.
    • Flash of Light A quick, expensive heal that heals a friendly target for [ 185.3% of Spell Power ]. 23% of Base Mana. 40 yd range. 1.5 sec cast.
    • Hammer of the Righteous An instant strike that causes 100% weapon damage plus 0. Requires Melee Weapon. Unlimited range. Instant.
    • Hand of Sacrifice (Holy, Protection) Places a Hand on a party or raid member, transferring 30% damage taken to the Paladin. Lasts 12 sec or until the Paladin has transferred 100% of their maximum health. Places a Hand on a party or raid member, transferring 30% damage taken to the Paladin for 12 sec or until the Paladin has transferred 100% of their maximum health.
    • Hand of Sacrifice (Retribution) Places a Hand on a party or raid member, transferring 30% damage taken to the Paladin and removing all harmful Magic effects from the target. Lasts 12 sec or until the Paladin has transferred 100% of their maximum health. Places a Hand on a party or raid member, transferring 30% damage taken to the Paladin and removing all harmful Magic effects from the target for 12 sec or until the Paladin has transferred 100% of their maximum health.
    • Judgment (Holy) A magic attack that unleashes the energy of a Seal to cause [ 1 + 50.21% of Spell Power + 60.3% of AP ] Holy damage. Causes [ 1 + 50.21% of Spell Power + 60.3% of AP ] Holy damage. Requires an active Seal to cast.
    • Judgment (Protection) A magic attack that unleashes the energy of a Seal to cause [ 1 + 50.21% of Spell Power + 60.3% of AP ] Holy damage and generates one charge of Holy Power. Causes [ 1 + 50.21% of Spell Power + 60.3% of AP ] Holy damage and generates 1 Holy Power. Requires an active Seal to cast.
    • Judgment (Retribution) A magic attack that unleashes the energy of a Seal to cause Causes [ 1 + 50.21% of Spell Power + 60.3% of AP ] Holy damage, generate one charge of Holy Power, and apply the Physical Vulnerability debuff to a target. damageand generates 1 Holy Power. Physical Vulnerability Weakens the constitution of an enemy target, increasing their physical damage taken by 5% for 30 sec. Requires an active Seal to cast.

    Talents
    • Beacon of Faith Mark a second target as a Beacon, mimicking the effects of Beacon of Light. Beacon of Light The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all party and raid members within 0 to 60 yards. Only one target can be the Beacon of Light at a time. Beacon of Light Your spells Your heals on other party or raid members will also heal the Beacon for a percentage of Light target for up to 50% of the amount healed. Your Holy Radiance, Light of Dawn, Light's Hammer, and Holy Prism will heal for 15% of the amount healed. All other heals will heal for 50% of the amount healed Flash of Light and Holy Light on the Beacon of Light target will also generate 1 Holy Power. Paladin - LvL 0 Talent. 60 yd range. Instant. 3 sec cooldown.
    • Empowered Seals Your Seals also cause your Judgment to empower you with an additional beneficial effect which persists through changing Seals: Judgment of Justice Increases your movement speed by 20% for 20 sec. Judgment of Insight Heals you for 5% 3% of your maximum health every 2 sec for 20 sec. Judgment of Righteousness Increases your attack speed by 30% for 20 sec. Judgment of Truth Increases your attack power by 15% for 20 sec. Paladin - LvL 0 Talent.
    • Hand of Purity Places a Hand on the friendly target, reducing damage taken by 10% and damage from harmful periodic damage over time effects by an additional 80% (less for some creature attacks) for 6 sec. Players may only have one Hand on them per Paladin at any one time. Paladin - LvL 60 Talent. 7% of Base Mana. 40 yd range. Instant. 30 sec cooldown.

    Holy
    • Avenging Wrath Imbues you with wrathful light, increasing healing done by 100%, haste by 20%, critical chance by 20%, and damage done by 20%. Lasts and haste, critical strike chance, and damage by 20% for 20 sec. Paladin - Holy Spec. Instant. 3 min cooldown.
    • Beacon of Light The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all party and raid members within 0 to 60 yards. Only one target can be the Beacon of Light at a time. Beacon of Light Your spells Your heals on other party or raid members will also heal the Beacon for a percentage of Light target for up to 50% of the amount healed. Your Holy Radiance, Light of Dawn, Light's Hammer, and Holy Prism will heal for 15% of the amount healed. All other heals will heal for 50% of the amount healed Flash of Light and Holy Light on the Beacon of Light target will also generate 1 Holy Power. Paladin - Holy Spec. 60 yd range. Instant. 3 sec cooldown.
    • Daybreak After casting Holy Radiance, your next Holy Shock will also heal other allies Casting Holy Radiance causes your next Holy Shock to also heal each ally within 10 yards of the target for an amount equal to 75% 15% of the original healing done, divided evenly among all targets. Stacks up to 2 times. Paladin - Holy Spec. Can accumulate up to 2 charges. Paladin - Holy Spec.
    • Holy Light A large heal that heals a friendly target for [ 185.3% of Spell Power ;]. Good for periods of heavy damage. Paladin - Holy Spec. 11.5% of Base Mana. 40 yd range. 2.5 sec cast.
    • Holy Radiance Imbues a friendly target with radiant energy, healing that target for [ 151.32% of Spell Power ] and all allies within 10 yards for 50% of that amount. Grants a charge of half that amount. Grants 1 Holy Power. Healing effectiveness diminishes for each player target beyond 6. Paladin - Holy Spec. 44% of Base Mana. 40 yd range. 2.5 sec cast.
    • Holy Shock Blasts the target with Holy energy, causing Deals [ 102% of Spell Power ] Holy damage to an enemy, or [ 122.16% of Spell Power ] healing to an ally, and granting a charge of grants 1 Holy Power. Holy Shock has 2.0 times double the normal critical strike chance. Paladin - Holy Spec. 7.1% of Base Mana. 40 yd range. Instant. 6 sec cooldown.
    • Infusion of Light Increases your haste by 10%. Additionally, your Holy Shock critical effects Your Holy Shock criticals reduce the cast time of your next Holy Light, Divine Light, or Holy Radiance by 1.50 sec. Paladin - Holy Spec. Also increases your haste by 10%. Paladin - Holy Spec.
    • Light of Dawn Consumes up to 3 Holy Power to emanate unleash a wave of healing energy, healing up to 6 of the most 6 injured targets in your party or raid within 30 yards for [ 1 + 24.5% of Spell Power ] per charge of Holy Power up to [ 3 + 73.5% of Spell Power . Paladin - Holy Spec. 1 Holy Power. 1.5 sec cast.
    • Light's Beacon The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all party and raid members within 0 to 60 yards. Only one target can be the Beacon of Light at a time. Beacon of Light Your spells Your heals on other party or raid members will also heal the Beacon for a percentage of Light target for up to 50% of the amount healed. Your Holy Radiance, Light of Dawn, Light's Hammer, and Holy Prism will heal for 15% of the amount healed. All other heals will heal for 50% of the amount healed Flash of Light and Holy Light on the Beacon of Light target will also generate 1 Holy Power. Paladin - Holy Spec. 60 yd range.

    Protection
    • Avenger's Shield Hurls your shield at an enemy target, dealing [ 2 + 237.6% of AP ] Holy damage, silencing and interrupting spellcasting interrupting and silencing the target for 3 sec, and then jumping to additional nearby enemies. Affects 3 total targets 2 additional nearby enemies. Requires Shields. Paladin - Protection Spec. 7% of Base Mana. 30 yd range. Instant. 15 sec cooldown.
    • Grand Crusader When you dodge or parry a melee attack you have a 30% chance of refreshing the cooldown on your next Avenger's Shield and causing it to generate a charge of Holy Power if used within 6 sec. Paladin - Protection Spec. 1 Holy Power. Paladin - Protection Spec.

    Protection & Retribution
    • Seal of Righteousness Fills you with Holy Light, causing melee attacks to deal 5% weapon damage to all targets within 8 yards. Instant. Paladin - Protection & Retribution Spec. Instant.
    • Seal of Truth Paladin - Protection & Retribution Spec.

    Protection, Retribution, Retribution
    • Hammer of the Righteous Hammer the current target for 35% weapon damage, causing a wave of light that hits all other targets within 8 yards for 20% Holy weapon damage. Grants a charge of 1 Holy Power. Requires Melee Weapon. Paladin - Protection, Retribution, Retribution Spec. 3% of Base Mana. Melee range. Instant. 4.5 sec cooldown.

    Retribution
    • Divine Storm An area attack that consumes 3 charges of Holy Power to cause Deals 50% weapon damage as Holy damage to all enemies within 8 yards. Requires Melee Weapon. Paladin - Retribution Spec. 3 Holy Power. Instant.
    • Exorcism Forcefully attempt to expel the evil from the target with a blast of Holy Light. Causes Blasts the target with Holy Light, causing [ 1 + 117.1% of AP ] Holy damage and generates a charge of generating 1 Holy Power. Your autoattacks have a 20% chance of resetting the cooldown of your Exorcism. Paladin - Retribution Spec. 4% of Base Mana. 30 yd range. Instant. 15 sec cooldown.
    • Mastery: Hand of Light Your Crusader Strike, Hammer of the Righteous, Hammer of Wrath, Templar's Verdict and Divine Storm Divine Storm, and their multistrikes deal 14.8% additional damage as Holy damage. Paladin - Retribution Spec.
    • Sanctity Aura (New) You radiate holy energy, granting all nearby party and raid members 3% Versatility. Paladin - Retribution Spec.
    • Sword of Light Increases the damage you deal with two-handed melee weapons by 30%. Your spell power is now equal to 100% of your attack power, and you no longer benefit from other sources of spell power. Grants 6% of your maximum mana every 2 sec. Increases the healing done by Word of Glory by 60% and Flash of Light by 100%, and Word of Glory is now instant. Paladin - Retribution Spec. Paladin - Retribution Spec.
    • Templar's Verdict A powerful weapon strike that consumes 3 charges of Holy Power to deal deals 185% weapon damage. Requires Melee Weapon. Paladin - Retribution Spec. 3 Holy Power. Melee range. Instant.

    Major Glyphs
    • Glyph of Ardent Defender Ardent Defender no longer reduces damage takent taken, but if its duration expires without being consumed, its cooldown will be reset to 60 sec. Major Glyph.



    Changelog:
    2014-07-02: Added beta build 18505.
    2014-06-30: Updated Glyph of the Consecrator tooltip description.
    2014-06-28: Initial post.
    Last edited by Fhi; 2014-07-03 at 05:33 AM.

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    Was it really necessary to make a new topic? *shrug* There's only like 5 of us who even post anyway. I aint even mad about not getting beta because there are so few actual changes for us to test :<

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    Thanks for the new post, Fhi!
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    Does anyone know if holy shield has an animation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demsi View Post
    Does anyone know if holy shield has an animation?
    I believe it hasn't since its just a passive.

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    Have to say Holy Shield sounds nice again But I always preferred passive tanking things, so having an extra button isn't something I would relish the thought of. Interesting to see how things turn out, since I'm always thinking of going back to tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    Have to say Holy Shield sounds nice again But I always preferred passive tanking things, so having an extra button isn't something I would relish the thought of. Interesting to see how things turn out, since I'm always thinking of going back to tanking.
    Its Passive

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    Quote Originally Posted by marinos View Post
    I believe it hasn't since its just a passive.
    but what about when you block an attack and the spell activates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demsi View Post


    but what about when you block an attack and the spell activates?
    True. Most likely they are going to use the good ol' holy shield animation with some light sparkling from our shield whenever we blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demsi View Post
    Its Passive
    That's what I meant, I like the fact it's Passive

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    I love the idea of Holy Shield being back.

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    Happy with the level 100 talents, nice variation and they'd all be useful in their own circumstances.

    I've got beta access and the quality of it will seal if I play WoD or not, but I do agree that there's fuck all difference in the class from a gameplay perspective. With the ability trim it feels like back when I'd do rag sales on guild mates alts and only rebind essential spells for that specific fight - barely need my shift-modifiers anymore.
    If/when you get the chance (because Lord knows the day I get beta access for raid testing is the day pigs fly and Hawking walks again), can I get your opinion on Shining Protector? It seems completely, utterly and hopelessly useless, but I've been wrong before.

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    Holy shield is such a lame talent tho :X
    Once again we lose dmg when not tanking, the defensive benefit is minimal vs physical (yay i have 10% chance to reduce dmg taken by 30%, was poop in t15, still poop) so the only interesting idea is blocking spells, but even so it's too rng for me to ever rely on it.

    Will probably have to see how much PITA Empowered seals are, and if not i guess i'll have to run seraphim.
    P.S. WTB WAs for emp seals.

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    If protection loses Avenging wrath then shouldn't the sanctified wrath talent be changed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroA View Post
    If protection loses Avenging wrath then shouldn't the sanctified wrath talent be changed?
    If they won't revert the change (removal of AW from prot) in the end then yes that talent will be changed. Since BETA started I see that they are going to address that soon hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazel View Post
    GIVE WOTLK TANKING and wotlk ardent defender... :S
    I swear to god, if we go back to 36363636 again, I'm going to slam my face through my desk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyese View Post
    I swear to god, if we go back to 36363636 again, I'm going to slam my face through my desk.
    I dont remember too much from wrath, but wasn`t tanking as prot just using like 3 spells?, kinda like today

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    I would like to see holy shield in action, in pvp, would it be like the "gladiator stance" warrior have? a talent that let us have fun in pvp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kodrack View Post
    I would like to see holy shield in action, in pvp, would it be like the "gladiator stance" warrior have? a talent that let us have fun in pvp?
    Ehm Holy Shield is just this : Increases your block chance by 10%, and allows you to block spells. Additionally, when you block, you deal (50% of Attack power) Holy damage to your attacker.

    It has nothing to do with Glad. Stance or that mechanic at all.

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    i wouldn't mind wotlk AD (yay passive and heals you back to full when it procs) but that's about it.

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