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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Yes. Salt of the earth. Normal everyday people who were brought up in a normal home and schools, rather than being brought up in an anything goes California metropolis and attending school at some neoliberal college to indoctrinate them as an activist
    oh boy..."normal home" haha...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaskra View Post
    So were you arguing that the sex of the justices in the majority was relevant to the outcome of the case, or not?
    The discussion taking place was that it was THE reason. I stated very clearly it was not a sole factor, but it's delusional for one to believe it is a NON-factor.

    Keep up please. I'm not usually in favor of having to explain and re-explain the discussion to people who have nothing to contribute, but wish to take part anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Yes.

    That's exactly why this case was about a corporation's right to make religious choices that negatively affect its workforce, regardless of the faiths or lack thereof of those employees.

    Free exercise of religion means you should be able to choose, for yourself, on religious grounds. This is why adult Jehovah's Witnesses can make informed choices to refuse blood transfusions, even if doing so costs them their lives. That's their free exercise of religion. They are not free to make the same choice for their children, let alone anyone else. That isn't "free exercise", any more; that's inflicting your religion on another.

    And before anyone says this is an unfair comparison because blood transfusions are a bigger deal than 4 types of birth control; my issue is not the specifics of this case, it's the precedent that it sets and the rationale used to justify it.
    HL is not preventing any employee from using any contraceptive.

    People/Government/Corperations inflict religion/anti-religion on us all the time. People only moan and groan when they don't like a specific instance of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Yes. Salt of the earth. Normal everyday people who were brought up in a normal home and schools, rather than being brought up in an anything goes California metropolis and attending school at some neoliberal college to indoctrinate them as an activist
    So someone who was born with money and went to preppy New England Schools where they were taught that poor people are a blight and that the more stuff you have the better your are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Yes. Salt of the earth. Normal everyday people who were brought up in a normal home and schools, rather than being brought up in an anything goes California metropolis and attending school at some neoliberal college to indoctrinate them as an activist
    I'm just quoting this to point out that you have a habit of discrediting yourself. I wish I could say I contributed, but all I've really done is highlighted your words. All the heavy lifting was done by you.

    Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Perhaps we should stop this war on welfare then.
    Why? Just because you aren't guaranteed a job doesn't mean you're guaranteed for me to support you. I'd figured out real quick how to become a better employee or go to some of those horrible Christian charities that actually exist to help people. Don't expect my ass to carry you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interception View Post
    So someone who was born with money and went to preppy New England Schools where they were taught that poor people are a blight and that the more stuff you have the better your are?
    New England is highly urban and liberal. You may mean the developing states in the Southeast.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit5555 View Post
    Why? Just because you aren't guaranteed a job doesn't mean you're guaranteed for me to support you. I'd figured out real quick how to become a better employee or go to some of those horrible Christian charities that actually exist to help people. Don't expect my ass to carry you
    Yeah I sure called that "just die" comment didn't I?
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
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    I wouldn't expect someone who thinks science provides proof to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    I would just like to know how the family that owns Hobby Lobby is being denied the right to practice their religion by offering Plan B insurance coverage to their employees?
    They don't want to pay for abortions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    That isn't "free exercise", any more; that's inflicting your religion on another.
    In the case of Hobby Lobby, no one is forced to work there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    They don't want to pay for abortions.
    They never were by multiple reasons. That's the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    In the case of Hobby Lobby, no one is forced to work there.
    They're not forced to do business here either.

    Nice valid point, isn't it?
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    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    I wouldn't expect someone who thinks science provides proof to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    They don't want to pay for abortions.
    They aren't.

    Those contraceptives do not cause abortions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    but it's delusional for one to believe it is a NON-factor.
    On what grounds? To claim that it was a non-factor is to claim to have knowledge of the majority justice's thought process. The onus is on you to prove that it was a factor to whatever extent you believe it is - and "they are men" or "its human nature" are not arguments, but rather extremely broad dismissals of any given person's ability to think objectively.

    I'm not saying the bias did not exist. I find it hard to believe that even supreme court justices are infallible in their reasoning. What I am saying is that there is nothing to indicate that sex was an influencing factor in their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    New England is highly urban and liberal. You may mean the developing states in the Southeast.
    Now that's odd - Ive seen worse bias towards women in New York then Ive seen in Atlanta. Anecdotal obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    In the case of Hobby Lobby, no one is forced to work there.
    Force is a red herring argument. Force is not required for it to be an imposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    They aren't.

    Those contraceptives do not cause abortions.
    They're also not paying for them. The insurance company pays the claim.
    Quote Originally Posted by Interception View Post
    Now that's odd - Ive seen worse bias towards women in New York then Ive seen in Atlanta. Anecdotal obviously.
    I'm just saying on a macro level.

    And Atlanta is actually decent for the South. It's like the 2nd or 3rd "gayest city".
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    I wouldn't expect someone who thinks science provides proof to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    New England is highly urban and liberal.
    That attitude is pervasive across political groups.

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    So will we now see a mass boycott of Hobby Lobby and like companies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    The point is, we should overlook sexism because someone else can give a band-aid.
    You are right, the sexism is horrible. Hobby Lobby covers 16 forms of birth control, and only two are for men. Those sexist bastards. They probably cover a maternity leave that is far longer then paternity leave too. I'm so tired of this sexism against men. The war on men must end

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gambit5555 View Post
    and only two are for men. The war on men must end
    I know right, men are 100% covered. Stop the war!
    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Hey, as a transabled, transethnic, non-binary, genderqueer, neo-communist, indoor-capable republican otherkin I am offended by your callous display of ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Eroginous View Post
    I wouldn't expect someone who thinks science provides proof to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interception View Post
    So someone who was born with money and went to preppy New England Schools where they were taught that poor people are a blight and that the more stuff you have the better your are?
    Poor people are not a blight, they are a resource to be exploited for the betterment of the middle and upper class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    How the hell is "someone else can fix it so let's ignore the sexism" even remotely valid?
    It's the same logic as "Cars kill people so let's ignore gun violence."
    Climate Change denialism in a nutshell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    They aren't providing them. The insurance company they pay is. The insurance company adding these 4 more isn't even statistically significant. This is anti-ACA and an argument not based in the real world.

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    Abuse victims make self-detrimental decisions all the time. Does it make it right?
    And once again you have no argument so you attempt to build a fallacy. Sad really. I suppose to you all African American conservatives are abuse victims too. Because if they don't fall in line with your lumped way of thinking, then there is something wrong with them.get over your ego

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