Man loses gun license over non-violent crime

[Deleted]

That's incorrect, not that I'm being sympathetic.

Pedophilia is just as much of a "mental illness" as homosexuality is. Sexual preference actually isn't classified or acknowledged by the ICD whatsoever. I suggest researching the difference between sexual preference and sexual predators.

Technicalities, having 3500 CP images is mental in my eyes.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I was replying to the person that said even an offense like shoplifting should disqualify you.

So? Your comparison still does not work.

[glo]

Technicalities, having 3500 CP images is mental in my eyes.

Would having 3500 images of homoerotica deem someone mentally ill?

Again, I'd suggest researching the difference between sexual predators and sexual preferences that some unfortunate people cannot help, just the same as people can't help being gay.

Again, I'm not sympathizing here, but the ignorance you're displaying is a major reason why these people are scared shitless to ever reach out for help or support.

[Kadil]

I was replying to the person that said even an offense like shoplifting should disqualify you.

You can get a conviction for shoplifting, you won't for not wearing a seatbelt.

[Deleted]

Excellent decision. to be able to own a gun you need to be of good morale character and being a pedo isnt exactly the ultimate display of good morale character

disagree, people don't choose to be pedophiles, it's a sexual orientation like any other, the only difference is society doesn't accept them for what they are.

as far as I know this man only possessed child pornography, he didn't produce it

what exactly is so heinous about this man again?

[tankbug]

Noone who is a criminal should have a gun license. Be it a pedo or a shoplifter.

Well, most of us are criminals, and we might not even know it. Minor traffic violations, pirated software, underage drinking, alcohol consumption on a public place without licence, showing a movie or playing songs outside your home etc. Where do we draw the line?

Personally I'm for very strict gun control, but I guess it should be fair.

[Deleted]

Would having 3500 images of homoerotica deem someone mentally ill?

Again, I'd suggest researching the difference between sexual predators and sexual preferences that some unfortunate people cannot help, just the same as people can't help being gay.

Again, I'm not sympathizing here, but the ignorance you're displaying is a major reason why these people are scared shitless to ever reach out for help or support.

Those kids were either forced, coerced or tricked into making that porn, stop comparing it to something consenting adults agreed to do.

[Kadil]

Well, most of us are criminals, and we might not even know it. Minor traffic violations, pirated software, underage drinking, alcohol consumption on a public place without licence, showing a movie or playing songs outside your home etc. Where do we draw the line?

Personally I'm for very strict gun control, but I guess it should be fair.

You draw the line at anything that gets you a conviction. If you can be sent to prison for it you should also lose the right to have a gun.

[Namasthetu]

About as mentally ill as your common homosexual. As in, they're typically not. The IDC doesn't classify any sexual preference as mental illness for the most part. I suggest researching the difference between sexual predators and sexual preference.

Not that I'm encouraging or sympathizing with the idea.

You make a false comparison. Homosexuality (between two consenting adults) does not inherently involve the violation of another's rights. Pedophilia is by definition the sexual violation of one who cannot consent due to a lack of physical development due to age. Pedophilia is not a sexual preference, it is a willful choice to engage in sexual relations with those who are by law unable to consent. While you can quibble about where the line can be drawn and circumstances involving adolescents who mature different sexually, prepubescent children do not possess the capacity to consent.

[glo]

Those kids were either forced, coerced or tricked into making that porn, stop comparing it to something consenting adults agreed to do.

Very true and extremely sad. However, that guy had nothing to do with that, unless he paid for it. Regardless, I'm pointing out your general ignorance on the subject, not that.

You make a false comparison. Homosexuality (between two consenting adults) does not inherently involve the violation of another's rights. Pedophilia is by definition the sexual violation of one who cannot consent due to a lack of physical development due to age. Pedophilia is not a sexual preference, it is a willful choice to engage in sexual relations with those who are by law unable to consent. While you can quibble about where the line can be drawn and circumstances involving adolescents who mature different sexually, prepubescent children do not possess the capacity to consent.

You have your words mixed up. Sexual preference =/= sexual acts. You're describing a sexual predator.

[Kalis]

When I had to pay mine, I did it online. Within 72 hours of the infraction it was available to be paid.

I got a ticket in the morning, and paid it online in the afternoon, and this is in Malta which is hardly the most technologically advanced country on the planet. So I'd hate to think what kind of backward country it is that takes 3 weeks to register it.


OT: In the UK a serious criminal offence would bar you from gun ownership in the first place, and would be grounds for revoking your licence if it happened after issue, so I don't see anything wrong with this.

If you want to keep your gun licence, don't commit a criminal offence.

[Deleted]

Very true and extremely sad. However, that guy had nothing to do with that, unless he paid for it. Regardless, I'm pointing out your general ignorance on the subject, not that.

He still had those images and indirectly supported the people making them.

[Deleted]

Very true and extremely sad. However, that guy had nothing to do with that, unless he paid for it. Regardless, I'm pointing out your general ignorance on the subject, not that.

What does it matter if he paid for it?

Someone abused a child to produce the images (unless all 3500 were drawings), by downloading them he perpetuates the cycle; site becomes "popular", creator makes more content, more kids get abused.

[glo]

He still had those images and indirectly supported the people making them.

Yeah so, again, was pointing out your general ignorance on the subject, nothing else.

I'm not really in the mood to turn into some pedo martyr, it's a stupid subject that weirds me out, I'm not going to continue on defending it. However, I'm simply putting forth the idea that you at least educate yourself on the matter before blanketing these people as mentally ill. There's a difference between them being mentally wired for their preference and them actually acting on it. Just as there's a difference between a gay guy liking men and him raping people on the street.

What does it matter if he paid for it?

Someone abused a child to produce the images (unless all 3500 were drawings), by downloading them he perpetuates the cycle; site becomes "popular", creator makes more content, more kids get abused.

I don't know, it wasn't even relevant to what I was responding to, but he insisted on bringing it up. Read above for my initial point.

[Deleted]

blanketing these people as mentally ill.

You have to be mentally ill to derive pleasure from the abuse of children in pornography. It's not comparable to gay guys watching a DVD in which the actors consented and were paid for performing.

[JohnBrown1917]

A pedo who acts on his urges, even if non-voilent(and the difference between non-voilent and violent is huge in this case), is mentally unstable. Not the type of person you want to have a gun.

There are places that put pedophiles to death a practice that if there must be a death penalty that's probably one of the best candidates.

For possession of cp? Thats going a bit too far.

[glo]

You have to be mentally ill to derive pleasure from the abuse of children in pornography. It's not comparable to gay guys watching a DVD in which the actors consented and were paid for performing.

They don't all randomly download vast libraries of this nonsense. Are you intentionally being dense or what?

[Namasthetu]

Very true and extremely sad. However, that guy had nothing to do with that, unless he paid for it. Regardless, I'm pointing out your general ignorance on the subject, not that.



You have your words mixed up. Sexual preference =/= sexual acts. You're describing a sexual predator.

My apologies I should have included the information from my initial post. The possession of child pornography is inherently an act violating the rights of the individual depicted in them. Furthermore, while someone may be a pedophile who does not possess child pornography or engage in sexual acts, it is still a compulsive desire to do so and that is definitively a mental illness.

[Tikaru]

I am 100% okay with taking away a pedophile's guns.

[Deleted]

They don't all randomly download vast libraries of this nonsense. Are you intentionally being dense or what?

You responded to RICH stating that this man possessing CP means he is mentally ill, arguing that it's about as "ill" as a gay dude looking at buttsex on the internet. Your argument wasn't against all pedos being labelled, but about this specific one being labelled. Try and follow your own fucking arguments you mong.

Oh, and if you truly believe that there is a majority among pedos who never look at CP their whole lives then just lol. I would say it's actually very much the minority who understand it's wrong, seek help, and refrain from giving in to their urges.