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  1. #421
    Pardo abandoning ship too, eh?

    Well this certainly speaks volumes, heh. I kinda doubt this was a mutually agreed thing.

  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Nillah View Post
    Seriously, stop making shit up. I'll never fathom why people get such joy out of thinking Blizzard employees have been fired.
    Because the amount of people that hate this game but have an incessant need to harp on all things about it negatively and chime in with a "SEE SEE?!?" when things like this happen is probably larger than the amount of people that just play the game.

    It's not a backhanded comment about subscriber numbers, it's just a remarkable comment about how many people that seem to hate all things Blizzard and WoW tend to migrate towards websites dedicated solely to them.

    We get it, this is a "sign that things are falling about" "wow is bad" "catering to casuals.." .... etc..

    I don't know Rob Pardo, I will never know him, other than playing the product he had a hand in over the years I can't pretend I have any sort of understanding of what he's doing.

    As a human being, I wish him well!

  3. #423
    Quote Originally Posted by nightmaric View Post
    Because the amount of people that hate this game but have an incessant need to harp on all things about it negatively and chime in with a "SEE SEE?!?" when things like this happen is probably larger than the amount of people that just play the game.

    It's not a backhanded comment about subscriber numbers, it's just a remarkable comment about how many people that seem to hate all things Blizzard and WoW tend to migrate towards websites dedicated solely to them.

    We get it, this is a "sign that things are falling about" "wow is bad" "catering to casuals.." .... etc..

    I don't know Rob Pardo, I will never know him, other than playing the product he had a hand in over the years I can't pretend I have any sort of understanding of what he's doing.

    As a human being, I wish him well!
    Forum users are a tiny fraction of the player base. So nah, this vocal minority just has their worst fears corroborated and they have a place like Mmoc where they can come and fight with people.

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  4. #424
    Wow I am very sorry to see this. Rob Pardo always seemed like a great guy. I'm sadly not going to read the comments here though because I have a distinct feeling it will be filled with mouth breathers making comments like "Getting off a sinking ship" or that he was "Fired" which would be hilarious if someone really believed that.

  5. #425
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnabas View Post
    Really childish to want to molest a developer because you lack imagination.
    I find it amusing that you use the term "childish" when the first character listed on your link is a blatant and borderline-offensive stereotype. The sad truth of it is that the majority of games are targeted towards heterosexual teenage boys; ground-breaking observation I know. And let's be honest, plenty of developers don't fall too far from that demographic either. But I don't see why it's such a big deal for folks to ask for a modicum of representation. Certainly not asking aggressively either.

    As for imagination, homosexuals have plenty of that, I'm sure you'd agree. Close your eyes and join me in pretend land; having equal rights, freedom from religious zealots, family and friends not rejecting you, not having to live in fear of possibly having your home broken into and being dragged off for public execution. Homosexuals around the world are an imaginative lot, I promise you.

    Yes it would be nice to have one of the many love memento/ letter quests be between a same-sex couple. No glitter, no spotlights, no fuss. Just a simple "hey, this happens every day. It's normal". Will it make the world join hands in friendship? No. Would Blizzard possibly lose sales from their more homophobic clients? Heaven forbid. But it would earn them a great deal of respect from our more progressive communities. It would serve as a small acknowledgement that the world is moving away from those antiquated and petty disparities. Perhaps even other studios would take a cue, and open up their narrow interpretations of minorities (women could certainly use some strong and properly clothed representation).

    Honestly, I'm not even all that bothered by a lack of representation in mass media, apart from the standard rainbow-defecating-glitter-encrusted-and-overly-promiscuous-every-gay. But it bothers me to no end when people try and make excuses for that. And no, I don't think it's because all publishers are homophobic. As first mentioned, it's all about your demographic. I just find it somewhat disappointing to possibly think that a multinational studio with over 70 million games sold*, in at least 12 languages*, running an MMORPG with over 7 million active subscribers*, would be so molested by a request to include one or two openly gay characters.

    tl;dr No, I think what's childish is when developers/ studios can't get outside their comfort level enough to create meaningful minority characters despite publishing for such a massive and diverse audience.

    Saaaarces:
    http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...i#.U7YURvldXuM
    http://www.statisticbrain.com/blizza...nt-statistics/

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    Weird how he "decided to move on" right after the players rioted about all the mysteriously vanishing content in WoD...

    Just kidding btw, much more likely that he was fired for his sexist rant a couple months ago.
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  7. #427
    Quote Originally Posted by tangers58 View Post
    Weird how he "decided to move on" right after the players rioted about all the mysteriously vanishing content in WoD...
    And right before the release of the naxx-adventure mode in hearthstone...which I expect to be a huge disappointment as well.

  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by Delondial View Post
    I find it amusing that you use the term "childish" when the first character listed on your link is a blatant and borderline-offensive stereotype. The sad truth of it is that the majority of games are targeted towards heterosexual teenage boys; ground-breaking observation I know. And let's be honest, plenty of developers don't fall too far from that demographic either. But I don't see why it's such a big deal for folks to ask for a modicum of representation. Certainly not asking aggressively either.

    As for imagination, homosexuals have plenty of that, I'm sure you'd agree. Close your eyes and join me in pretend land; having equal rights, freedom from religious zealots, family and friends not rejecting you, not having to live in fear of possibly having your home broken into and being dragged off for public execution. Homosexuals around the world are an imaginative lot, I promise you.

    Yes it would be nice to have one of the many love memento/ letter quests be between a same-sex couple. No glitter, no spotlights, no fuss. Just a simple "hey, this happens every day. It's normal". Will it make the world join hands in friendship? No. Would Blizzard possibly lose sales from their more homophobic clients? Heaven forbid. But it would earn them a great deal of respect from our more progressive communities. It would serve as a small acknowledgement that the world is moving away from those antiquated and petty disparities. Perhaps even other studios would take a cue, and open up their narrow interpretations of minorities (women could certainly use some strong and properly clothed representation).

    Honestly, I'm not even all that bothered by a lack of representation in mass media, apart from the standard rainbow-defecating-glitter-encrusted-and-overly-promiscuous-every-gay. But it bothers me to no end when people try and make excuses for that. And no, I don't think it's because all publishers are homophobic. As first mentioned, it's all about your demographic. I just find it somewhat disappointing to possibly think that a multinational studio with over 70 million games sold*, in at least 12 languages*, running an MMORPG with over 7 million active subscribers*, would be so molested by a request to include one or two openly gay characters.

    tl;dr No, I think what's childish is when developers/ studios can't get outside their comfort level enough to create meaningful minority characters despite publishing for such a massive and diverse audience.
    I don't agree with adding homosexual characters or storylines purely for the sake of pushing boundaries or getting respect from progressive communities. If Blizzard sees fit to add a homosexual character, I trust them to do so in a way that fits logically into the story, and I would enjoy experiencing such a story. I get enough of the LGBTQ movement shoved down my throat as it is so if WoW is going to give me the same business it better be palatable.

    OT: The last flicker of hope I had for WoW's future died when I heard the news that Rob Pardo, after finally returning to grace WoW with his design prowess once more, is now moving on to what are probably greener pastures. I will be avidly following his progress in the hopes that he finds his way back to MMO development. Bonus points if he starts a new company with Jeffrey Kaplan.
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    People should be ashamed to compare Rob Pardo to Greg Street.

    It speaks volumes to who is actually a fan of Blizzard games and who is just in it for the ride.

    Greg being hired was an ill omen and him leaving a long-awaited reprieve.

  10. #430
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    I don't agree with adding homosexual characters or storylines purely for the sake of pushing boundaries or getting respect from progressive communities. If Blizzard sees fit to add a homosexual character, I trust them to do so in a way that fits logically into the story, and I would enjoy experiencing such a story. I get enough of the LGBTQ movement shoved down my throat as it is so if WoW is going to give me the same business it better be palatable.

    You get enough of that LGBT movement shoved down your throat? Now ask yourself how the homosexuals got to feel about all the heterosual stuff that gets shoved down their throat NONSTOP. You'd likely run amok if you would have to face that much homosexual stuff...

  11. #431
    Quote Originally Posted by Delondial View Post
    Off-Topic/ Rant Warning
    The sad truth of it is that the majority of games are targeted towards heterosexual teenage boys; ground-breaking observation I know. And let's be honest, plenty of developers don't fall too far from that demographic either. But I don't see why it's such a big deal for folks to ask for a modicum of representation. Certainly not asking aggressively either.[/URL]
    Really man, you think homosexuals play different video games then straight people? Are you dense or something? You're literally making up shit in your own head. The percentage of homosexuals in america alone is under 4%. It's a lot of people but in the grand scheme, it's not. Just because you see it all over the tv and on the news doesn't mean it's actually a big thing. And why should any company cater to less than 4% of the population. I bet the percentage of them in LGBT community who play video games makes that chunk of the money pie even smaller by comparison.

    Stop trying to make it bigger than what it is. It's just a game.


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  12. #432
    Quote Originally Posted by Bisso View Post
    Oh rly? Care to provide any type of source as to how you can say Chris Metzen, creative director is suddenly the Marketing Producer on Wow? Do you honestly believe Blizzard is lead by like 3 people that does everything from game design, story telling, marketing, sells, art direction, music direction, project coordination, production management.

    You have no clue how a game studio like Blizzard runs.

    What more probable is that the marketing team which came out with the idea of the choppers decided to use the most recognizable faces at Blizz, which are Sam and Chris.

    If you think Chris Metzen spend his worj time finding new business strategy to make more money instead of making a good game. Youcare just wrong.

    As for the topic: I think that whatever really happened, it's a huge hit to Blizz future success.
    look up the term patron-client relationship please and apply it here.

    if you bought the mists of pandaria collector's edition and watch the dvd which shows the production the very first thing you see is guess who? you misunderstand the very culture of leadership. you don't do every single task you delegate different tasks to different people while remaining in supreme control of the information loop. quest design is not going to know the inner workings of raid design and neither are going to know the inner workings of class balance and so on. the directors or producers are in charge of it all. furthermore someone of metzen's influence is unlikely to even be challenged in terms of design decisions (unless said people wish to do what the topic of this thread is about).so even if this chopper programme isn't his original conception, it has to have his tacit approval nonetheless, as did the decision to even create mists of pandaria if you bother to watch the dvd.

    as for your last sentence, tell me, in a gaming company how do you make more money?

    honestly some fanboys are so blinded by their infatuation they don't stop to logically think.

  13. #433
    Quote Originally Posted by Pacster View Post
    You get enough of that LGBT movement shoved down your throat? Now ask yourself how the homosexuals got to feel about all the heterosual stuff that gets shoved down their throat NONSTOP. You'd likely run amok if you would have to face that much homosexual stuff...
    It's the social movement that I don't like being shoved down my throat, not homosexual content in entertainment.

  14. #434
    Quote Originally Posted by Lolercaust View Post
    I don't agree with adding homosexual characters or storylines purely for the sake of pushing boundaries or getting respect from progressive communities. If Blizzard sees fit to add a homosexual character, I trust them to do so in a way that fits logically into the story, and I would enjoy experiencing such a story. I get enough of the LGBTQ movement shoved down my throat as it is so if WoW is going to give me the same business it better be palatable.
    Those would be a fringe benefit. The most important thing about adding such content is that it would be a nice gesture to the many homosexual players who do play WoW. And no one is asking for large scale cinematic romance, just a bit of inclusion; the odd delivery quest, some NPC tavern conversation, etc. But since your real issue is that you are getting too much LGBTQ "shoved down" your throat, it's seems rather moot. It would be interesting to know in what way you are being subject to such hardships, but honestly this isn't the place for that.

    I just think you have and awfully narrow and self-centered view point.

  15. #435
    Quote Originally Posted by Delondial View Post
    Those would be a fringe benefit. The most important thing about adding such content is that it would be a nice gesture to the many homosexual players who do play WoW. And no one is asking for large scale cinematic romance, just a bit of inclusion; the odd delivery quest, some NPC tavern conversation, etc.
    I would have no problem with that.

    I just think you have and awfully narrow and self-centered view point.
    Alrighty then.

  16. #436
    While I can appreciate Pardo's contribution to WoW, he's clearly a sign of the problem at Blizzard.

    As a COO myself, I'll tell you when you have a corporate culture (dismissive of women) that is so out of whack with your customer base (45% of gamers are women), either you do something about it or you become yesterday's news.

    Hopefully this is Blizzard doing some serious top level bloodletting. I'd love to see them replace Pardo with a woman.

    Again, anyone who has any experience with corporate culture could tell you what a Cluster-you-know-what Blizzard's has obviously become when you get remarks like the ones that have been made over the past year, and the company's PR Dept doesn't even bother to try to address it. If these guys worked for Coke, GM, or Apple they'd have been likely been marched out to the media and made to apologize, then either quietly sidelined or outright terminated.

    This ain't the 1980s. Or even the 2000s. Women are increasing their gaming market share and are beginning to shun companies that treat them badly. Any business analyst would look at these guys and immediately see a big gushing red flow of unrealized sales.

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  17. #437
    Quote Originally Posted by scelero View Post
    Really man, you think homosexuals play different video games then straight people? Are you dense or something? You're literally making up shit in your own head. The percentage of homosexuals in america alone is under 4%. It's a lot of people but in the grand scheme, it's not. Just because you see it all over the tv and on the news doesn't mean it's actually a big thing. And why should any company cater to less than 4% of the population. I bet the percentage of them in LGBT community who play video games makes that chunk of the money pie even smaller by comparison.

    Stop trying to make it bigger than what it is. It's just a game.
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    I don't believe I said homosexuals did make up much of the population. However many developers have admitted to developing for that demographic, to the exclusion of female audiences (which I also said lacked good representation along with various minorities). Also, while it may be a moot point, you've posted an estimate of American LGBT communities. Aside from the glaring issues with such estimates, I did stress multinational a few times in that piece. Please take some time to calm down and read a bit more carefully. The gays aren't coming for you.

    And steady on with those accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delondial View Post
    I don't believe I said homosexuals did make up much of the population. However many developers have admitted to developing for that demographic, to the exclusion of female audiences (which I also said lacked good representation along with various minorities). Also, while it may be a moot point, you've posted an estimate of American LGBT communities. Aside from the glaring issues with such estimates, I did stress multinational a few times in that piece. Please take some time to calm down and read a bit more carefully. The gays aren't coming for you.

    And steady on with those accusations.
    i think his point is, that if it's not necessary to add homosexual romances in the game, then why does it need to be included? because homosexuality needs to be verified in a game that has, for the most part, no need for such things. because it isn't necessary; it doesn't mean its wrong to not include it, because in this game, its irrelevant

  20. #440
    Quote Originally Posted by jason1975 View Post
    While I can appreciate Pardo's contribution to WoW, he's clearly a sign of the problem at Blizzard.

    As a COO myself, I'll tell you when you have a corporate culture (dismissive of women) that is so out of whack with your customer base (45% of gamers are women), either you do something about it or you become yesterday's news.

    Hopefully this is Blizzard doing some serious top level bloodletting. I'd love to see them replace Pardo with a woman.

    Again, anyone who has any experience with corporate culture could tell you what a Cluster-you-know-what Blizzard's has obviously become when you get remarks like the ones that have been made over the past year, and the company's PR Dept doesn't even bother to try to address it. If these guys worked for Coke, GM, or Apple they'd have been likely been marched out to the media and made to apologize, then either quietly sidelined or outright terminated.

    This ain't the 1980s. Or even the 2000s. Women are increasing their gaming market share and are beginning to shun companies that treat them badly. Any business analyst would look at these guys and immediately see a big gushing red flow of unrealized sales.

    Adapt or die, Blizzard. Adapt or die.
    I'd love to see what would happen to this game if it received a female lead designer, please let it happen for the sake of hilarity.

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