Zimbabwean President Bans Whites From Owning Land

[Hyve]

France, were the Gypsies,are being forced to move by threat and get attacked by mobs and their camps destroyed.

Most of those camps are on private land, or in areas where it's not "safe" for them to be. They're not in the middle of no-where, they're in some Farmers field, stopping him from doing his job, and making him fear for his property.

What about Australia, they imprison immigrants and Children in Prison Camps. Or how the Australian Government just evicted some Aborigines to dump waste on their land.

I've not seen a thread that said; "Australia dumps a load of shit on native land! YAY!". No-one supports that kind of thing at all.

But when any Non Western one does anything similiar all the sudden the West grows morals.

What does it matter? People can sit a moralise all they like, doesn't mean it's going to change anything. I like to call them Moral Crusaders. Something comes up, it's on the news, and they're all up in arms about it, then ~2 weeks later they forget.

Maybe the West should follow what they spew out every once in a while, instead of slamming others, when they perform similiar actions.

I agree actually, we ought to just shut up but not because of our past, but because we've no place intervening. Governments are preparing to arm the Rebels in Syria, leading to an Afghanistan v3.0, where we arm Rebels, and then in ~10 years those Rebels form a terrorist group, and we have to go in and fight against the very weapons we sold them.

It's not just Syria, it's around the world. We ought to stop being Moral Hippies, and either step in and do something serious, not half arsed, or just stay out of it.

[PACOX]

In before the "you-can't-be-racist-against-white-people" brigade.

/popcorn

...come on...

Even when people say this nonsense they usually mean in Western cultures because of the known history between white people and minorities. Africa saw the same struggle but it played out a lot differently. Shits on a whole different level over there.

[imabanana]

So white nations, can make racist laws like in France, were the Gypsies,are being forced to move by threat and get attacked by mobs and their camps destroyed.

Oh, this again.

Camp destroyed by mobs ? I don't remember seeing this. The one camp that made the headlines was the one of Saint-Aignan, which was destroyed after the camp in question attacked the city center (pillaging shops, cutting down trees, burning cars) to protest about one of them being killed while forcing a police barrage with his BMW. What was decided after that was to "expel all illegal settlements" Where's the "racist law" in that ? (And how can you compare this to a "white can not possess lands in our country" law ?)

And if you're talking about people who are sent back to their countries, this concerns any illegal immigrants, nothing more, and nothing specific to "race". The fact is that the majority of these illegal camps destroyed were roms/gypsies, but nothing was made specifically against them in law.

Now what is really happening in France : any city over 5000 inhabitants in France, MUST provide a free ground in urban area where anyone can settle and have free access to drinking water, electricity and waste disposal links, plus toilets/showers (min 1 shower / 2 toilets per 5 caravans). These zones have existed for 24 years now (Besson law, 1990, updated in 2000), yet illegal camps still appears everywhere. These camps being destroyed is perfectly normal, whoever are the people in it.

Gypsies are much more welcome in France thanks to there areas than in many other European places, as long as it's not in an illegal way, and as long as they don't start riots as they did in Saint-Aignan.

Edit: and just a little note since I just read this, NO country sharing a border with France has any of these obligations concerning this free welcoming areas. If you want to complain about racist countries look at how they're welcomed in Switzerland for example. (cities who tried to create areas have dropped the projects since the population is really hostile to gypsies and "traveling" people in general)

[Adhemar]

Robert Mugabe is still crazy?

THIS JUST IN: Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!

[Kurioxan]

Whites in various pan-african nations have largely enjoyed a lifestyle of comparative wealth in relation the population, the majority being black, poor, uneducated and rife with crime.

Stoking racial tensions to inflame anger and prejudice against them is a way to garner popularity.

Demagogy is one of the best tools in democracy or any regime where public support is wanted always works.
Either way, yay racism.

[Yunru]

Well this news could be reported as a propaganda, so lets look on the other side.

The white farmers are living there for quite some time and they give work to black workers. However all the money they made and export goes into a britan as a tax.
The president gets no money from them, so he is forced to remove them to take over the land and trying to sell this food to other countrys to fix its money problems.

From wiki:
Over 3000 white soldiers who assisted in the BSAC takeover of the country were given land grants of 3,000 acres or more, and black people living on the land became tenants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people_in_Zimbabwe

The guy has a good reason to remove them.

[araine]

Of course you're not going to hear much about it in the media. Now if it was the other way around there would be non stop 24/7 coverage about it on all media outlets.

It is in Zimbabwe and tell me how much coverage your newspaper and evening news has had of events in Zimbabwe over the last 30 years. my bet is it is very small and it had nothing to do with white vs blacks or anything just the fact that it was Zimbabwe, If you dont like Zimbabwe in the example replace with with Mongolia and do the same test of how often you get the latest news from Mongolia.

So really the other way around is nonsense since regardless of what way it is you can count the cases of those places showing up in the news to be 5min when an magnitude 8 EQ have hit outside of that it is like they never existed regardless of what happens there.

[Deleted]

Come back to us when a western democracy induces a famine within its population.

Does starting Famines in their Colonies or other lands or populations count? If so I can name several Western Nations.
-The British in Ireland and India.
-Canada used Famines and Food shortages to kill of natives.
-The Americans when they during the Trail of Tears, when they forced a starving population to go on a death march. Also when they hunted the Bison into near extinction or forced the Natives off of the best Farmland and made them live on Reservations.
-The Germans being starved by the British blockade in WW1.
-The famines in Vietnam, due to French, Americans spraying poisons all over fields and destroying fields.
Or how about this. How Coal burning in the West caused droughts all over Africa.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...rought/276702/

Most of those camps are on private land, or in areas where it's not "safe" for them to be

Hardly any place safe. When Mobs and Western Governments decide they want you gone.

I've not seen a thread that said; "Australia dumps a load of shit on native land! YAY!". No-one supports that kind of thing at all.

Yet the People of Australia elected the Officials doing this and keep on vothing for them. It is one thing if Australia was a Dictaorship, however when the people vote and keep such people in charge, they share the blame.

Well this news could be reported as a propaganda, so lets look on the other side.

The white farmers are living there for quite some time and they give work to black workers. However all the money they made and export goes into a britan as a tax.
The president gets no money from them, so he is forced to remove them to take over the land and trying to sell this food to other countrys to fix its money problems.

From wiki:
Over 3000 white soldiers who assisted in the BSAC takeover of the country were given land grants of 3,000 acres or more, and black people living on the land became tenants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people_in_Zimbabwe

The guy has a good reason to remove them.

You know they will just attack you now for posting something that does not fit their view of Westerners being Oppressed.

[Deleted]

Good. Now Whites should come home and leave Africa for Africans. They should also stop supporting them. If they aren't self-sufficient, they will die, simple as that. We shouldn't care.

Rhodesia was comparable, if not even better than some Western countries. Now it's a shit-hole.

[Mormolyce]

In before the "you-can't-be-racist-against-white-people" brigade.

/popcorn

Somewhat different rules in Zimbabwe :P

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Good. Now Whites should come home and leave Africa for Africans. They should also stop supporting them.

Preeeeeetty sure those white landowners in Zimbabwe weren't "supporting them".

[Yunru]

You know they will just attack you now for posting something that does not fit their view of Westerners being Oppressed.

I always look on 2 sides on a coin.
I am suprised how easy media can manipulate people to act as a sheeps and join the war against XXX country.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Just saw this posted on a couple of Websites, surprised I haven't seen it posted yet, just curious what MMO-Champion's opinion is of this

A couple of sources (feel free to add your own if mine are too "left" or "right":

bbc.com/news/world-africa-28152477
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-132504/Zimbabwe-white-farmers-fight-flee.html

Unable to post links as my post count isn't high enough if someone is able to post the proper links I would be more than happy, Cheers

Pretty sure this has been government policy in Zimbabwe for decades now. Certainly longer than I've been alive.

[Deleted]

Preeeeeetty sure those white landowners in Zimbabwe weren't "supporting them".

Pretty sure White farmers were supporting the whole Africa with wheat and corn, now they can't even feed their own population.

[GennGreymane]

In before the "you-can't-be-racist-against-white-people" brigade.

/popcorn

*takes some popcorn*

[imabanana]

Pretty sure this has been government policy in Zimbabwe for decades now. Certainly longer than I've been alive.

What changed right now is the scale of it.

There's been some cases of white farmers being revoked their land ownership, but nowhere near as many as this time.

[randomnamegenerator16]

At least they are not killed as in South Africa led by Nelson Mandela.

[Wildtree]

and how many lands do/did those white "farmers" own?
how did they acquire that land?

Questions over questions, before one can jump to conclusions..

[cadb]

They almost starved to death last time they took land from the white farmers and distributed it among the black population who has no idea how to work the land, let's see if they manage to kill themselves off this time.

[Yunru]

At least they are not killed as in South Africa led by Nelson Mandela.

Well if they started killing them, then the UN had a excuse to *protect* the white investment.

UN military personnel can be called upon to:

Monitor a disputed border (not happening)
Monitor and observe peace processes in post-conflict areas (can happen)
Provide security across a conflict zone (a chance to happen)
Protect civilians (they cant protect those who go in prison by breaking a law)
Assist in-country military personnel with training and support (not needed)
Assist ex-combatants in implementing the peace agreements they may have signed (not needed)

[Wildtree]

At least they are not killed as in South Africa led by Nelson Mandela.

Retaking something from someone, that doesn't willingly surrender it, even though it doesn't belong to him, usually only happens with collateral damage.

Hypothetically speaking...
Do you think, it would turn out like a hippie meeting, if the Indian Nation rises up in the US, and tries to retake what's arguably rightfully theirs?
It would be a blood bath.... The establishment in place would never surrender the lands without a fight.
And if it would happen, some random internet guy would claim "The Indians killed off all the Whites/Blacks/Yellow/etc.... "

There is quite a difference in purposely targeting a group of people with no reason at all, and having to fight against them as a last resort.