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  1. #1021
    Quote Originally Posted by Thyr View Post
    You are bored fast because the raid content is repititive as hell. That wasn't the case before Wrath. You didn't know if you will reach every endboss of a raid. That was a totally different experience to raid. And yes, i have 14/14hc, not since January or so, but still i've done more than the vast majority of the game. And even then, i find it not really difficult, but simply boring to do the same over and over again without seeing something new.
    In Classic you also had to do the same thing over and over again. I've done MC, BWL, AQ and Naxx about as often as SoO or whatever. And no, you don't have to run LFR, Flex and HC on multiple chars every week. There is basically no difference since classic when you did the hardest available content in all iterations of WoW, with maybe the exception of WotLK, because of different loot in the different raid sizes.

    That you are burned out when you are doing LFR, Flex and HC on multiple chars a week, okay. But there is absolutley no need in that, even if you are in a world top 100 raid.
    I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn, they will be gone - whispering their hidden song...

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    You are bored fast because the raid content is repititive as hell. That wasn't the case before Wrath. You didn't know if you will reach every endboss of a raid. That was a totally different experience to raid. And yes, i have 14/14hc, not since January or so, but still i've done more than the vast majority of the game. And even then, i find it not really difficult, but simply boring to do the same over and over again without seeing something new.
    Before Wrath you had fights like KT / Illidan wich were bugged so far up the ass, you could've concidered them as a 'gate'. The only reason you didn't know wether or not you'd reach an endboss was how much buggs / failed bosses you'd get.

    Or in the case of having a rogue with Warglaive combo, how much of your members would get taken by other guilds. Fights got released in a state that were unacceptable.
    This is the reason we have BETA / PTR tests.

    but simply boring to do the same over and over again without seeing something new
    Like doing SSC / MH again because of attunements? It works either way. I love to get new content, don't get me wrong on that one. But it really isn't that diffrent from TBC if you think about it.
    Only then you were gated by bugged bosses or gating via Sunwell isle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thyr View Post
    You are bored fast because the raid content is repititive as hell. That wasn't the case before Wrath. You didn't know if you will reach every endboss of a raid. That was a totally different experience to raid. And yes, i have 14/14hc, not since January or so, but still i've done more than the vast majority of the game. And even then, i find it not really difficult, but simply boring to do the same over and over again without seeing something new.
    yeah those guys are just talking bullshit.

    @ my realms... i can't even get into a HC guild with my 563 geared alt... i need ATLEAST 570...
    those guys trying to tell me that i should jump straight to HC with blue gear? then "wtf" is what i have to say.
    i will get SOOOOOOO REJECTED. even with full ToT HC gear, there's NO WAY IN HELL that i will ever be accepted into a group/guild what so ever... you guys are being ridiculous. i have done HC, i have done NORMAL, i have done more then most of you people that come here whining about my thread.

    it don't matter how many achievements i show, how many main/alts with the achievements i show...
    they wouldn't invite me simply because MY HP IS SO DAMN LOW, I WILL DIE FROM 1x SWELLING PRIDE for example, i will die instantly at any boss with AOE that covers the whole room... simply because i have TOO LOW HP.

    i am forced to farm LFR/FLEX/NORMAL so that i won't get 1 hit by unavoidable AOE in HC.
    so don't come here with all your bullcrap.
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  4. #1024
    Quote Originally Posted by Lumicide View Post
    Hate the player, not the game. (or Hate the sinner, not the sin.) W-w-wait a minute... For fun, let's go to an extreme to see if that holds up. If Blizzard made WoW into a Flappy Bird clone, would the community still be at fault for not liking the change, or would it be the fault of Blizzard for completely destroying the game?

    Eve has increased in popularity over the pats 11 years consistently, WoW has gone down the past 4 of its 10 years. Would it be reasonable to say: the changes to Eve have made it more appealing, and the changes to WoW have made it less appealing
    Interesting analogy. Lets continue and say Blizzard did make that change, and the lost the existing customers but gains an equal or larger customer base. Would it be Blizzard's fault for the change?

    Eve certainly has proved its endurance in the MMO, especially considering the other failures, TSW, SwoToR, LoR just to name a few. But just taking one facets of available information and use that as a basis of comparison is rather naive. What would be interesting to see is the player turn over. How many new players Eve is attracting and retaining, how many long terms subscribers, active players etc.

  5. #1025
    na I think you got it right, BLIZZ has alot of money at its disposal and it we all know it cannot be using it all towards WOW. Lets face it, no new races? Classes? slow xpacs? no new BG's, how about new innovative ideas like death matches ( example smite arena 5v5 is crazy new idea) or real pvp cool ideas, the pve is autopilot , where is the imagination and innovation? Pet Battles whether you like it or not is a cool idea, and was diff than everything else, the farm idea in panda was cool, but I mean large scale mind blowing ideas. People in these forum ( one called how to make WOW better ) had such cool ideas and they are not developers. Blizz has the money to do what they want but who knows where it is going cause it aint towards wow thats for sure. This xpac is cut paste gg

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumicide View Post
    Hate the player, not the game. (or Hate the sinner, not the sin.) W-w-wait a minute... For fun, let's go to an extreme to see if that holds up. If Blizzard made WoW into a Flappy Bird clone, would the community still be at fault for not liking the change, or would it be the fault of Blizzard for completely destroying the game?

    Eve has increased in popularity over the pats 11 years consistently, WoW has gone down the past 4 of its 10 years. Would it be reasonable to say: the changes to Eve have made it more appealing, and the changes to WoW have made it less appealing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everztar View Post
    dyslectic? wtf... so now you're offended, and you have to go attacking me with personal shit?
    it's not my fault you were lying to us with evidence in your signature O.o

    1. "I never said when I expected WoD to be released soon, you made summer of 2013 up in your own head."

    2. "I hadn't played in 8 months since summer of 2013. It seemed like WoD was going to arrive soon"

    what you said in #2 is totally telling me that you didn't play for 8 months because it seemed like WoD was going to arrive soon...
    so my question to you was; how could you believe that WoD was going to release soon when it wasn't even announced?
    your post is filled with a bunch of lies, you're just jumping on the train with all those "i don't care if WoW lost 50% of it's playerbase, it's the best right now" people.

    but you failed.
    you haven't even been playing for 1 year yet you want to support the game for what it is now?
    please play the game, clear Siege of Orgrimmar and all that ridiculous shit first. THEN you shall have my attention.

    i'm moving forward now, this is not what i wanted to talk about.
    i'm just very surprised of how many people that has been spamming this forum telling us that
    "lfr is for noobs, flex too, i jump straight to NORMAL"
    but they forget they have armory links in their signature... and their characters are full LFR gear or worse.
    seriously, you're are not the first one.
    Not offended at all.. if anything I'm offending myself by putting time into replying to your posts that are beyond ridiculous.
    If anyone started with the personal attacks it was you when you mentioned my armory.
    And the one thing that is more ridiculous than anything you've typed is this:

    "your post is filled with a bunch of lies, you're just jumping on the train with all those "i don't care if WoW lost 50% of it's playerbase, it's the best right now" people."
    I explicitly told from my very first post in this thread that I do not support LFR and am a supporter of only they put effort in the game should get the best gear.
    I played since summer of 2010, so what you said is not suprisingly incorrect once again.
    Looks like I already got your full attention, since you're pretty much responding to all my posts in a matter of hours.
    Did you even take a good look at my dk? I literally have no lfr pieces on my dps set and 2 pieces on my offspec.

    You have so much knowledge, good sir. You have been on this forum for a month (?) yet claim you've seen everything. Being part of the 10-18 year old crowd has me laughing hard at you for probably being another 25+ guy who has nothing to do beside whining about WoW and how "the spark is long lost". Also like how you go back and edit your post after you posted it.

  7. #1027
    Quote Originally Posted by Everztar View Post
    yeah those guys are just talking bullshit.

    @ my realms... i can't even get into a HC guild with my 563 geared alt... i need ATLEAST 570...
    those guys trying to tell me that i should jump straight to HC with blue gear? then "wtf" is what i have to say.
    i will get SOOOOOOO REJECTED. even with full ToT HC gear, there's NO WAY IN HELL that i will ever be accepted into a group/guild what so ever... you guys are being ridiculous. i have done HC, i have done NORMAL, i have done more then most of you people that come here whining about my thread.

    it don't matter how many achievements i show, how many main/alts with the achievements i show...
    they wouldn't invite me simply because MY HP IS SO DAMN LOW, I WILL DIE FROM 1x SWELLING PRIDE for example, i will die instantly at any boss with AOE that covers the whole room... simply because i have TOO LOW HP.

    i am forced to farm LFR/FLEX/NORMAL so that i won't get 1 hit by unavoidable AOE in HC.
    so don't come here with all your bullcrap.
    So, you could either apply for a guild that's not on your realm?
    What guild did you apply for? Since a 563geared player without enough experience didn't stand much chance in my guild either. Currently still trying to join a progress guild is kind of 'meh'. Most guilds who haven't gotten it down with 4/4 upgrades rolling in are using a wrong tactic, not playing optimal or just not giving a shit.

    So, what you're saying is, you're farming content up untill you can do HC mode? Just like in Classic / TBC?
    Doing ZG/MC to get into BWL to get into AQ40 etc...
    Isn't this the model that you liked? Since outside of it being purely SoO, there isn't much diffrence to be honest. Doesn't matter if you do shit like MC/BWL time and time again or Siege. It's going to get repetative. Always was and always has been.

    And honestly, any guild saying that you won't survive mechanics on HC mode in TOT gear is full of shit. But that hasn't gotten anything to do with the game.
    Those are the players being ignorant. Or you doing an application to the wrong guild. If their players are dying on swelling pride because of 'gear' I've got some bad news for them.

    I started HC progress with 550ilvl.

  8. #1028
    Quote Originally Posted by Everztar View Post
    yeah those guys are just talking bullshit.

    @ my realms... i can't even get into a HC guild with my 563 geared alt... i need ATLEAST 570...
    those guys trying to tell me that i should jump straight to HC with blue gear? then "wtf" is what i have to say.
    i will get SOOOOOOO REJECTED. even with full ToT HC gear, there's NO WAY IN HELL that i will ever be accepted into a group/guild what so ever... you guys are being ridiculous. i have done HC, i have done NORMAL, i have done more then most of you people that come here whining about my thread.

    it don't matter how many achievements i show, how many main/alts with the achievements i show...
    they wouldn't invite me simply because MY HP IS SO DAMN LOW, I WILL DIE FROM 1x SWELLING PRIDE for example, i will die instantly at any boss with AOE that covers the whole room... simply because i have TOO LOW HP.

    i am forced to farm LFR/FLEX/NORMAL so that i won't get 1 hit by unavoidable AOE in HC.
    so don't come here with all your bullcrap.
    Somehow I'm not surprise that guilds don't want you.

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  10. #1030
    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderTaco View Post
    Again, are we going to resort to subscribers to decide which design was the best ?

    I don't know much about EvE online, but i'm pretty sure it's a niche, its subscribers might have increased over the years, but how many subscribers are we talking about?
    I didn't equate quality and subscribers. I was going for 'the developers are at fault for the game's condition'. The person I quoted said it was the players who were at fault instead (which is silly).
    Quote Originally Posted by kinneer View Post
    Interesting analogy. Lets continue and say Blizzard did make that change, and the lost the existing customers but gains an equal or larger customer base. Would it be Blizzard's fault for the change?

    Eve certainly has proved its endurance in the MMO, especially considering the other failures, TSW, SwoToR, LoR just to name a few. But just taking one facets of available information and use that as a basis of comparison is rather naive. What would be interesting to see is the player turn over. How many new players Eve is attracting and retaining, how many long terms subscribers, active players etc.
    Uh yea, that would be the consequence of their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumicide View Post
    I didn't equate quality and subscribers. I was going for 'the developers are at fault for the game's condition'. The person I quoted said it was the players who were at fault instead (which is silly).

    Uh yea, that would be the consequence of their actions.
    75% of todays WoW Playerbase will love WoW no matter what happens, they will always defend WoW... even if they remove cross realm and looking for dungeon for example. the gameplay will be the exact same... only... we will not have to wait in queue 15 minutes to find a party to go to a dungeon, we will find it faster through general chat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everztar View Post
    75% of todays WoW Playerbase will love WoW no matter what happens, they will always defend WoW... even if they remove cross realm and looking for dungeon for example. the gameplay will be the exact same... only... we will not have to wait in queue 15 minutes to find a party to go to a dungeon, we will find it faster through general chat
    Seriously, what's up with your delusions? Finding group through chat was never ever fast, especially for leveling or not so popular dungeons.

    And please, stop pulling numbers from your arse.

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