Are the recurring alleged ''censorship'' cases related to the apparent age ?

[sarahtasher]

Let's just say that, as people know, there have been a serie of recent alleged cases of censorship, in which the content of X (always japanese) game is altered to be more marketable to the US.

Short of the rhetoric about ''SJW'', I have the marked impression that most of this ''censorship'' (and/or refuse to release games in the first place) might be much more related to the age (or apparent age) of the character wearing the dubious outfit de rigueur than anything else. The most emblematic example of this would be the regular upping of the age of characters in DOA, Bravely Default, etc, a rather harmless ruse should I say for characters that are not obviously below 18 (ergo, most of the DOA cast, or chibi characters like Bravely Default-or even Senran Kagura, for that matter)

Whatever is the legality and morality of clearly underage characters in Japan and their sexualization, the matter is that most US retailers won't touch with a 20 feet pole a game featuring a girl appearing as 12 or 14 in highly suggestive poses, while having no such problems with ladies not wearing much but over 18. That might be silly, but that's an attitude clearly different than ''ah, those developers are brow beaten into SJW that don't wan't to see hot women''-the issue seems much more than retailers don't wan't to see hot minors.

[Rukh]

Final Fantasy 4 (II in US) was changed quite a lot because they were worried about US ratings. For instance, in the JP version, Rosa was set to be executed by guillotine. This was changed to a big metal ball. All religious imagery was removed (FF4 used quite a lot of Christian mythology) and the dancing girls in pubs that would change from dresses in to bikinis were altered to stay in dresses. This was in 1991. Clearly the work of SJWs.

[Cosmic Janitor]

This was in 1991. Clearly the work of SJWs.

The irony is just lost on you. The role of stifling open expression was reserved to religious nutjobs and backwards assholes in the day, now it's "triggered" people on the internet who think they know best how everyone should act. Sounds familiar? Same with feminism, in the 60's feminists burned their bras because they wanted freedom to express their sexuality, that they are capable of doing their own thing , to make their own decisions, that can be trusted with responsibility. Today we have feminists who bask in the glorious role of the victim, who want to push all responsibility away from them, who attack other women for being a sexual being that happens to like sleeping with men.

[Pull My Finger]

In any case, fapping to a lot of paedophilia phantasy sure seems to cloud people's sense or perspective and apparently really scrambles their moral compass. Crazy!

[Deleted]

The irony is just lost on you. The role of stifling open expression was reserved to religious nutjobs and backwards assholes in the day, now it's "triggered" people on the internet who think they know best how everyone should act. Sounds familiar? Same with feminism, in the 60's feminists burned their bras because they wanted freedom to express their sexuality, that they are capable of doing their own thing , to make their own decisions, that can be trusted with responsibility. Today we have feminists who bask in the glorious role of the victim, who want to push all responsibility away from them, who attack other women for being a sexual being that happens to like sleeping with men.

The ability to not make idiotic sweeping generalizations is lost on you ;]

On one hand you had Dworkin in the late 60s and 70s, who was exactly the type of radfem that you're afraid of (sex-negative, anti-pornography, with strong emphasis on how heterosexual sex is often portreyed in asymmetric terms - that's where the misunderstood alleged opinion that "all heterosexual sex is rape" came from). On the other hand the modern feminists are a throng of people, with different views, agendas, opinions, stances... and trying to pidgeonhole them into the one group is just dumb.

Where exactly in Europe do you live, that you truly feel the crushing yoke of those terrible feminists? ;P

[dope_danny]

Its just moral panic and art=thought crime rolling around again, it does it every 10-20 years. It always passes when it leads to big enough losses in revenue.

In todays climate of production and advertising costs it will probably happen faster even.

[Cattleya]

Short of the rhetoric about ''SJW'', I have the marked impression that most of this ''censorship'' (and/or refuse to release games in the first place) might be much more related to the age (or apparent age) of the character wearing the dubious outfit de rigueur than anything else. The most emblematic example of this would be the regular upping of the age of characters in DOA, Bravely Default, etc, a rather harmless ruse should I say for characters that are not obviously below 18 (ergo, most of the DOA cast, or chibi characters like Bravely Default-or even Senran Kagura, for that matter)

I'm pretty sure practically every character in DoA is over 18 as of DoA5, and none of this "SJW controversy" was around during 1-4.

And no, they didn't age them up 1-2 years in DoA5 just because of the west, characters actually tend to age a little over time in fighter franchises

[Acidbaron]

I don't believe censorship should exist, i however do believe that such committee's should exist purely to recommend the appropriate ages for something.

I am lucky enough to have been born in a country hardly anything every gets banned or censored. Even games like Manhunt highly controversial at the time came out on the market here without issues.

[sarahtasher]

I'm pretty sure practically every character in DoA is over 18 as of DoA5, and none of this "SJW controversy" was around during 1-4.

And no, they didn't age them up 1-2 years in DoA5 just because of the west, characters actually tend to age a little over time in fighter franchises

Marie-Rose

[unholytestament]

Marie-Rose

Oh, right. Are you dredging back up the argument where you don't believe an 18-year-old Japanese woman can be 4'10"? Nevermind the fact that that's only 4 inches shorter than the average Japanese woman?

[Strangebrew]

Oh, right. Are you dredging back up the argument where you don't believe an 18-year-old Japanese woman can be 4'10"? Nevermind the fact that that's only 4 inches shorter than the average Japanese woman?

Don't forget that no adult use pigtails!

[Rukh]

The irony is just lost on you. The role of stifling open expression was reserved to religious nutjobs and backwards assholes in the day, now it's "triggered" people on the internet who think they know best how everyone should act. Sounds familiar? Same with feminism, in the 60's feminists burned their bras because they wanted freedom to express their sexuality, that they are capable of doing their own thing , to make their own decisions, that can be trusted with responsibility. Today we have feminists who bask in the glorious role of the victim, who want to push all responsibility away from them, who attack other women for being a sexual being that happens to like sleeping with men.

The problem you have is that you're blaming the same adjustments japanese companies have been doing long before "SJWs" on SJWs, including about games that literally nobody has protested, but because "someone might". Yet there's games like the Grand Theft Auto series. When they got complaints because they had stuff that wasn't seen when the game was rated, what did they do for the next iteration? Have literal topless dancing and explicit sex scenes. Yet somehow Rockstar Games still exists, so all of this is bullshit. It's a trendy thing to blame SJWs for all your problems, and it's boring.

[sarahtasher]

Look people, if you want to say that Marie Rose look 18, it's your business. I really don't think she is.

[Strangebrew]

Look people, if you want to say that Marie Rose look 18, it's your business. I really don't think she is.

No she is 18, stated by the creators, your perception of her age is not the objective truth.

[unholytestament]

Look people, if you want to say that Marie Rose look 18, it's your business. I really don't think she is.

But if you have nothing to back up your claim then you can't really use her as an example for your argument.

Don't forget that no adult use pigtails!

You talking shit about Harley Quinn, bruv?

[Imnick]

I'm going to make a tactical battle game where all the characters look like they are literally newborn babies and when people complain about it I'll point to the instruction manual where it clearly lists all of their ages as 18

[Pull My Finger]

The anime paedo apologists sure are hilarious. So if I draw a circle on a piece of paper and title the whole thing "square", everyone who sees a circle is full of shit? LOL.

[sarahtasher]

I don't know what is silly to point out that when a character is short, have pigtails, have a childish appearance, etc...it can all be explained in some way

But Marie Rose, it's all those things together.

[Strangebrew]

You talking shit about Harley Quinn, bruv?

Nah brah, i'd bang her.
Wait shit, she got pigtails, that mean's she's a child if we are to follow sarahtasher's logic, shiet.

I'm going to make a tactical battle game where all the characters look like they are literally newborn babies and when people complain about it I'll point to the instruction manual where it clearly lists all of their ages as 18

Go ahead, what's stopping you?
Your attempt at some snarky comment is rather, i don't know, stupid?

I don't know what is silly to point out that when a character is short, have pigtails, have a childish appearance, etc...it can all be explained in some way

But Marie Rose, it's all those things together.

Who the fuck are you to dictate the original creator's work?

[Imnick]

Go ahead, what's stopping you?
Your attempt at some snarky comment is rather, i don't know, stupid?

When did I say anything was stopping me? I wasn't asking permission, that was my statement of intent.