Court rules Obamacare subsidies illegal.

[Gheld]

I'm still of the opinion that the first half of Manna is looking disturbingly possible.

The ending is just some anti-climactic zietgiest inspired nonsense.

The fate of mankind is that we will die by our superstitions. One day we will all starve to death, beside a mountain of food because we don't have enough money to believe that we should be allowed to eat it. We will die in the cold outside of vacant housing because we don't have enough money to believe that we should be allowed to go inside, and coming back to the OT, we will die of illnesses, the cure for which also just a dollar away.

[The Stormbringer]

The ending is just some anti-climactic zietgiest inspired nonsense.

The fate of mankind is that we will die by our superstitions. One day we will all starve to death, beside a mountain of food because we don't have enough money to believe that we should be allowed to eat it. We will die in the cold outside of vacant housing because we don't have enough money to believe that we should be allowed to go inside, and coming back to the OT, we will die of illnesses, the cure for which also just a dollar away.

And those of us that are smart will just steal the damn food and break into the freaking houses to stay warm.

[Gheld]

And those of us that are smart will just steal the damn food and break into the freaking houses to stay warm.

Except that all of those things I mentioned are already happening.

[Adam Jensen]

Fuck healthcare for everyone. Poor people, if you get sick, die fast. That way you're least of a burden!

(Patrick Stewart for the goddamned win)

[Masark]

The ending is just some anti-climactic zietgiest inspired nonsense.

Yes. The first half is straight-line-interpolation-from-present, but the latter half in Australia is just plain science fiction.

[Gheld]

(Patrick Stewart for the goddamned win)

I'ma let you finish, but I think Alastair Sim was the best scrooge. Jim Carry was pretty good too, but his action was animated, and he just copied Alastair Sim's perfromance.

[Symphonic]

The ending is just some anti-climactic zietgiest inspired nonsense.

The fate of mankind is that we will die by our superstitions. One day we will all starve to death, beside a mountain of food because we don't have enough money to believe that we should be allowed to eat it. We will die in the cold outside of vacant housing because we don't have enough money to believe that we should be allowed to go inside, and coming back to the OT, we will die of illnesses, the cure for which also just a dollar away.

Healthcare really is an interesting entity. When you think about what insurance will cover and what they won't, it almost makes you feel like for the most part it is "sick insurance" rather than "health" insurance. Have a problem? Here's a pill, or a surgery. Rather than trying to keep someone healthy by going to, say, a chiropractor which is proven to help you maintain a healthy lifestyle without medicine, they want you to wait until you're so sick you have to take a million pills or have tons of medical treatments.

[Kujako]

I'ma let you finish, but I think Alastair Sim was the best scrooge. Jim Carry was pretty good too, but his action was animated, and he just copied Alastair Sim's perfromance.

How dare you forget Bill Murray!

[Masark]

Unless their State government fucked up their exchange so bad that they are forced to use the fed exchange...

Yes, people in states with insufficient competence to set up their exchanges fall into the former category.

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Rather than trying to keep someone healthy by going to, say, a chiropractor which is proven to help you maintain a healthy lifestyle without medicine

Chiropractic medicine is utter nonsense for anything except back issues, and even for that its relative effectiveness is decidedly questionable.

[Slaskra]

Rather than trying to keep someone healthy by going to, say, a chiropractor which is proven to help you maintain a healthy lifestyle without medicine, they want you to wait until you're so sick you have to take a million pills or have tons of medical treatments.

Its a cultural thing. Americans are too complacent with unhealthy lifestyles.

[madmanx]

Except that all of those things I mentioned are already happening.

Somewhere in the world people are dying of starvation and disease? How did you figure that one out Sherlock?

[Kujako]

Its a cultural thing. Americans are too complacent with unhealthy lifestyles.

What if the chiropractor had fried twinkies?

[therayeffect]

Oh boy what a mess this could be. I'm not sure exactly what the issue is that's caused it to be illegal but this could really be a shitshow. I'm sure Republicans won't do shit about it and just let it fail but damn they could really destroy Democrats in November by tweaking this rule to be legal. They could ride in on their white horse and fix it and point at how incompetent Democrats are etc. They of course won't do that though, ahaha, because they're too stupid and will go with the 'safe' option of do nothing and blame others.

[Gheld]

Somewhere in the world people are dying of starvation and disease? How did you figure that one out Sherlock?

They are dying of starvation and disease while we are literally sending truckloads of food to the landfill. And I mean literally as in it's quite literal original meaning, not being ironic. Yet if somehow they were to all find their way to North America, and try to take that food before it expired, we would have our armed clerics of capitalism put them down like rabid dogs.

But even here, there are people who are hungry, so they go to the food bank, or we see them in the grocery store paying with food stamps and they are met with nothing but hostility by their peers who stand around in Washington, and Ottawa, and wherever the Brits put that governy thing, arguing that it is theft. Afterall, they attend the church of money's service 5, 6, even 7 days a week to get their food. Why should the heathens be fed?

[Reeve]

Can anyone explain the basis of the ruling? Why would it be illegal for a federal exchange but not a state exchange? Does the federal government subsidize stuff all the time?

[Vyxn]

they screwed up when they wrote the law. it specifically states in the ACA law that only state run exchanges would receive the federal subsides. it is pretty clear in its language
so all that needs to be done is congress to vote on an amendment to the ACA law to change the language, but guess what? first of all it would have to originate in the house because it is a spending measure, and second it opens the law up to other revisions and changes, and according to the American sentiment on the law they would be more then happy if it was gutted
I guess this is what happens when you pass a law at the dead of night with no one actually reading the dam thing
ACA was a train wreck from the start

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Can anyone explain the basis of the ruling? Why would it be illegal for a federal exchange but not a state exchange? Does the federal government subsidize stuff all the time?

the language of the ill written and conceived law
the law states only state run exchanges would receive federal subsides

[Gheld]

*cough*singlepayer*cough*. Sorry, all those decrepit old provincialist and feudalist ideologies shedding dust into the air.

[Nihilan]

It'll end up in front of the SCOTUS, with another 5-4 ruling. The only question at this point is: which side of the bed will John Roberts get up on in the morning?

The side with the most comfortable cushion of non-sequential, unmarked 100 dollar bills.

[Kasierith]

Healthcare really is an interesting entity. When you think about what insurance will cover and what they won't, it almost makes you feel like for the most part it is "sick insurance" rather than "health" insurance. Have a problem? Here's a pill, or a surgery. Rather than trying to keep someone healthy by going to, say, a chiropractor which is proven to help you maintain a healthy lifestyle without medicine, they want you to wait until you're so sick you have to take a million pills or have tons of medical treatments.

Bla bla bla, pharmaceutical conspiracy nonsense. Before it went generic, Lipitor was the top of the charts in net profit, a medication with literally zero liability in a acute sense. It also served to allow the company to undercut other companies that poured so many funds into acute medical care. Everyone loses money if someone with no insurance, no money, and no sustainability or home has a heart attack, especially the hospital. The only ones who actually profit from Acura care are pharmaceutical companies who have invested a lot into acute care (the current shortage of sodium chloride is due to manipulating the market and forcefully convincing hospitals to be willing to pay more); the entire rest of the system benefits from a generally healthy and well insured public.

[Xaelai]

That being said this is only really an issue because of the states that refused to create their own exchanges because ololololfuqdemocrats

Well, if this ruling ends up standing, then I have pretty much nil chances of ever getting healthcare as I live in PA.