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    Quote Originally Posted by Geminiwolf View Post
    Now that's a good looking burger!

    Seriously though, they actually look playable now.

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    Yeah, you know, thinking about it now I definitely agree.
    They were already very playable & preferable to most races. Yanno for those of us who love them and main them.

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    Now they just need to give us Tauren Rogues.

    Come on Blizzard, you know you want to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by anemicshoe View Post
    Sorry if this is considered thread necroing but I wanna hear what snuzz has to say now that femtauren have hit the beta~!
    Actually I was hoping you were still around! I wanted to hear your thoughts, as well as see if you had any edits you could do on the four faces now that they're in beta. I forget if you're in beta or not, but if not, I'll happily supply screenies.

    The good:
    Her body looks great, spot on, perfect. From her hooves to her neck, she looks just like the cow I've played and loved for ten years. Faces one and three have a cute roundness to them that makes them look friendly, warm, and is very tauren. I love her dance (did I say love it?) The expression says "Yeah, I got the mooooves, you're jealous, I know!" Most of her facial animations are very tame and toned down compared to the males, which is great. Tauren aren't flappy and goofy, they're deliberate. I hope they tune the males' expressions down to the level of the females'. Casting animations are a little loose and overdone, but overall not a terrible change.

    The bad:
    The noses are still very teddy-like on faces one and three. On the other hand, the noses and more gaunt facial structure of faces two and four makes them look like goats. The cleft lip isn't as bad as I thought it would be on face three, but on the other faces it looks awful. Face four seems to have a mouth that's perpetually gapped open, which looks bad. Overall, they just really messed up with the face which sucks because that's where the majority of our connection to our character comes from. Her eyes are set a bit too far forward, which makes them look humanlike and creepy. Spacing them out a bit more to the side of her head will improve her appearance a lot.

    The WTF:
    The jump animation looks like a rag doll being drawn up by its arm. The war stripes on the side of my face seem like they're lit from within and I'm fairly sure they're not. The teeth look kind of creepy, almost like there are too many teeth for her mouth, although that may just be because I am used to playing a toothless muppet mouth. The talk animation is completely different, not even the same at all, what the hell?

    Overall.
    It seems to me female tauren were an exercise in how much Blizzard could change. Likely this is because she was so unpopular before, they probably thought it would be a good thing to tweak here and there. I implore them to reconsider.

    While she is, on the whole, still the clumsy and slightly dorky force to be reckoned with that I fell in love with ten years ago, the changes to the face are simply too much. I do not want a gaunt goat face. I want the rounded face shape like face three, but without the dog nose.

    I've heard from my friends that she looks like "an evil goat," "that female gremlin from The New Batch in cow form," and quite simply "nightmare fuel".



    Snuzzle in beta, with the new model and the old. That is emphatically not my character, and I cannot understand how so much got lost in translation.

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    It seems like if they would just take the nose pattern of color from the white skin and apply it to the other skins, they would have a good thing going. She's got a more cowlike nose.

    Some noses just don't belong on some faces! #SaveTheSnoots!

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    I'll agree that your character looks very different. Mostly in the eye region. That said, my hunter uses the same face and I actually like the updated version more even though it does change the look of my character so I'm not terribly upset about it.

    Edit for your edit: Oh my, the white face there is adorable.

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    oh god this is worse than I thought it would be by far. I am honestly quite distressed over this. Can you please get me a screenshot of all 4 faces (preferably in neutral grey) looking forward and a side view comparison too? for editing purposes. I don't have beta access though I did sign up.

    Looking at your character I am just stunned, there is so much change for change's sake it feels like a hoof to the face for those of us who actually like how our tauren look and have played them forever. Its like they just wanted to make them different to appeal to those who didn't like them in the first place which is such BS.

    which face preset is the 'whiteface'? Why does she look so much better idilly in the barbershop... I think a lot of it has to do with her mouth being shut.

    Unless she is emoting/idle sighing I think they should keep her mouth shut like that. Shes got big girl nostrils, dosn't need to be gaping all the time like that.

    Your tauren's nostrils curve the wrong way giving her nose that pinched goat look along with the emphasized cheek bones giving her a gaunter texture. She really does look like a goat with that cleft lip and lack of nose pad area.
    The whole things throws into light just how much her head features almost seem shrunk in comparison. Why did they make the ears smaller? They were already too small! The snout is at the wrong angle pointing down and dosn't sit between her eyes giving her that odd forward vision, human eyes with beast muzzle look. Totally uncanny valley.

    THE HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE CHIN. HUGE. It is three times the size of the originals. How could they even consider that?!

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    White face there is face 3, white fur (last skin). The other two black faces in that screenshot are also face 3 if you can believe it. I wonder if they were intentionally trying to make more face differentiation from the pelt colors since we have so few faces, you know? So face 3 will look very different depending on whether you have spots or not, and different still if you pick the white fur.

    Here's Snuzzle's new model from front, 3/4, and side while I get you the other screenies. Snuzzle is face 2. I'll try to take them in better lighting, not against such a busy background.
    Some noses just don't belong on some faces! #SaveTheSnoots!

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    This is why people are saying that face preset looks so goaty. That narrow nose and permateeth (female worgen time anyone?)

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    I love the new tauren model. The spot under the nose just needs to be the same colour as the nose at least, to make it blend in, the mouth needs to not be open all the time, and jump needs to be fixed.
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    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
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    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anemicshoe View Post
    This is why people are saying that face preset looks so goaty. That narrow nose and permateeth (female worgen time anyone?)
    I'm sorry, I see a fantasy race that look more bovine-like than goat-like.

    (Bovine-like does not mean Tauren are 100% cows/bulls in looks. Take it with a grain of salt. And they are nowhere near as BAD as worgen females. Do not compare beautiful ripe oranges to rotten carcasses.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Blue Bear View Post
    I'm sorry, I see a fantasy race that look more bovine-like than goat-like.

    (Bovine-like does not mean Tauren are 100% cows/bulls in looks. Take it with a grain of salt. And they are nowhere near as BAD as worgen females. Do not compare beautiful ripe oranges to rotten carcasses.)
    Well, that's true, but they used to have a 100% bovine nose. So changing it to more goatlike and bearlike is not cool.
    Some noses just don't belong on some faces! #SaveTheSnoots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuzzle View Post
    Well, that's true, but they used to have a 100% bovine nose. So changing it to more goatlike and bearlike is not cool.

    Agreed. They're probably working on that, though. A lot of people have expressed similar sentiments.
    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Well it's good to see the keyboard activists in full effect. Doing the laziest, most asinine thing they could think of off the top of their heads and calling it justice while making no difference.
    Quote Originally Posted by C9H20
    Blizzard effectively wants to have its cake and eat it too by pretending to have this groundbreaking war in a faction capital while at the same time being completely unwilling to portray logical consequences of such an event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuzzle View Post
    White face there is face 3, white fur (last skin). The other two black faces in that screenshot are also face 3 if you can believe it. I wonder if they were intentionally trying to make more face differentiation from the pelt colors since we have so few faces, you know? So face 3 will look very different depending on whether you have spots or not, and different still if you pick the white fur.

    Here's Snuzzle's new model from front, 3/4, and side while I get you the other screenies. Snuzzle is face 2. I'll try to take them in better lighting, not against such a busy background.
    Jesus Christ how horrifying.

    Femtaur got worgen'd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    Agreed. They're probably working on that, though. A lot of people have expressed similar sentiments.
    I see that now. It seems like previously I was pretty much the only one on team dog nose. Now a lot of female tauren are expressing similar statements on the forums. I'm really, really relieved.
    Some noses just don't belong on some faces! #SaveTheSnoots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuzzle View Post
    White face there is face 3, white fur (last skin). The other two black faces in that screenshot are also face 3 if you can believe it. I wonder if they were intentionally trying to make more face differentiation from the pelt colors since we have so few faces, you know? So face 3 will look very different depending on whether you have spots or not, and different still if you pick the white fur.

    Here's Snuzzle's new model from front, 3/4, and side while I get you the other screenies. Snuzzle is face 2. I'll try to take them in better lighting, not against such a busy background.
    She looks more like a horse than a cow.

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    Here's the others, along with a bonus pic showing their lovely new sit animation works great with robes xD

    Yes, face 4's lip is open like that ALL THE TIME. I don't know why sometimes I could zoom in more than others.

    Face one:


    Face three:


    Face four:


    OH GOD MY LEGS:
    Some noses just don't belong on some faces! #SaveTheSnoots!

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    Female Tauren is my favorite out of all that we have seen today at least.
    Time...line? Time isn't made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round. ~ Caboose

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    This is my shaman to be.

    I simply LOVED even this WIP state.
    I can't stand the "alone in dark" character anymore.

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
    SO MANY PROBLEMS


    I hate that stupid nose. It's too high up, it's too small, it's the wrong color and shape!

    I hate her eyes, she needs bigger fuller cowlike downward facing lashes. They aren't feminine enough for me. Pupils should be bigger.

    Either the ears should be lower, or her jawline needs to come up higher because her current face is far too elongated and drooping downward..

    Her chin is massive, making her look more male than female.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snuzzle View Post

    Yes, face 4's lip is open like that ALL THE TIME. I don't know why sometimes I could zoom in more than others.

    Face four:

    What in the heckadoodle happened to face four O__O; oh my gawd. My paladin uses that preset and I honestly say there is more wrong with that one than poor goatyfied stripe face.

    I know im being kinda brutal here with my critiques but I really don't want it to make live in this state. Most of my gals use whiteface which is the easiest on the eyes of the lot (I think many used this one the most too) but there are ISSUES here.

    Gonna play with it in photoshop but people better be flooding Chris G's twitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anemicshoe View Post
    What in the heckadoodle happened to face four O__O; oh my gawd. My paladin uses that preset and I honestly say there is more wrong with that one than poor goatyfied stripe face.

    I know im being kinda brutal here with my critiques but I really don't want it to make live in this state. Most of my gals use whiteface which is the easiest on the eyes of the lot (I think many used this one the most too) but there are ISSUES here.

    Gonna play with it in photoshop but people better be flooding Chris G's twitter.
    Last time we tried brutal, constructive critique we got the current female worgen. You're playing with fire.

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