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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoicefromwithin View Post
    And one question. What does "care" actually mean?
    "Be careful" and variations of it depending on context.

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    For the love of the Burning Hells, the amount of people not knowing how to stay alive is horrendous.

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    And the amount of people AFKing for the first minute of a game is almost worse.

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    Enter the rank 22 Jaina with 2.2k games played foul-mouthing everyone for bad setup because she, as last pick, didn't pick something with dive in it to complement the rest of the comp. She decided 5 minutes into the match that it was lost and then kept on feeding in a random lane. Match ends, I go to her profile: Kael at 20, Nazeebo at 19, 5 others between 10 and 12, 2 at 9, 2 at level 8, 1 at 7, 2 at 6, 19 at level 5, 2 at level 4, 2 at level 3, 2 at level 1 with one match played each, and 9 she has never touched in her life. 2200 games played with that setup............

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    Again with the complete newbies matched with veterans in HL.



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    Turns out the other 4 of us knew what to do so it was a complete stomp in our favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoicefromwithin View Post
    It - obviously - cuts both ways. Sub 40 people are not happy to be teamed up with rankeds either and in the quick AI games, where there is a surprising amount auf rank 1 guys, they get taught the wrong stuff: "All push mid" "ignore tribute".

    Also the general tone of ingame conversation is not conductive in making it a pleasant learning experience. When a tychus with 45% of my siege, 60% of my hero damage and two more deaths than me told me to "uinstall te game n00b" (sic) I kept in constructive by advising him to "ping less, play better and stfu". Still such helpful tips are uncommon.

    As to matchmaking, while I share the general concerns, I tends go give me reasonably close games in the last two days. Might be generally better for people on the lower end of the skill spectrum.

    And one question. What does "care" actually mean?
    I'm aware it's fun for nobody. The other side of things is even when being constructive you are often met with "it's just a game" "this is QM, go play league" your comments tend to get reduced to snide remarks when you are paired with such selfish players that don't care about either the game they are in or if they are playing with others.

    Amusing enough when paired with new players and when they take note of my pings and calls, more often than not we win if not have a game that's fairly decent.

    Care as stated above means play careful, similar to the danger ping i also call it out often if we have low health assasins and their team is made up of a stealther or sometimes two. Sticking near your towers will ensure no early deaths, hence careful plays.

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    Am I the only one getting the feeling that Uther is actually detrimental in random play? I know he's considered the best in competitive, and it has been proven many times in quite epic matches, but I honestly feel someone like Malfurion is better in random HL matches. Your main heal is a HoT, it's on a lower cooldown than Uther's, and Tranq is quite the "GET IN HERE AND GET HEALS" signal. Plus the majority of people I use Divine Shield on have no idea how to utilize it properly.

  4. #2304
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathonia View Post
    And the fewest deaths. Seriously, how does that happen?
    I like to think that 60% of the game is just positioning.

    For instance, on Temple, when we go to do boss fight, more times than not, the squishies would fight on the enemies side and it just makes my skin crawl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    I like to think that 60% of the game is just positioning.

    For instance, on Temple, when we go to do boss fight, more times than not, the squishies would fight on the enemies side and it just makes my skin crawl.
    Still, it's Morales. A single diving hero and you don't get the peels you need and you are just dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Am I the only one getting the feeling that Uther is actually detrimental in random play? I know he's considered the best in competitive, and it has been proven many times in quite epic matches, but I honestly feel someone like Malfurion is better in random HL matches. Your main heal is a HoT, it's on a lower cooldown than Uther's, and Tranq is quite the "GET IN HERE AND GET HEALS" signal. Plus the majority of people I use Divine Shield on have no idea how to utilize it properly.
    Malf = anti-poke
    Uther = anti-burst

    If you play aggressively uther is better on your team and worst on the other team for you. If you play defensively and just poke malf is better. Malf has bit more sustain especially early game. I wouldn't pick malf over uther but thats due to my play style, you could technically make uther both tank and support and go with 3 sins and one specialist honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Malf = anti-poke
    Uther = anti-burst

    If you play aggressively uther is better on your team and worst on the other team for you. If you play defensively and just poke malf is better. Malf has bit more sustain especially early game. I wouldn't pick malf over uther but thats due to my play style, you could technically make uther both tank and support and go with 3 sins and one specialist honestly.
    The thing is that the people I get matched with don't understand Uther's limitations, so they keep going in despite me having everything on CD, and they bloody well stay in. Uther is great in coordinated teams. However, the way I'm getting matched with complete noobs currently, Uther really drags everything down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    ...they keep going in...
    Few other things manage anymore but this makes me rage. Just had a tank running through a hyperion and a whole enemy team trying to get the kill on a low health assassin. Died of course and blamed the rest of the team. Generally the amount of people happily running into AOE to get a kill is astonishing on my level of play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thevoicefromwithin View Post
    Few other things manage anymore but this makes me rage. Just had a tank running through a hyperion and a whole enemy team trying to get the kill on a low health assassin. Died of course and blamed the rest of the team. Generally the amount of people happily running into AOE to get a kill is astonishing on my level of play.
    I had a 30% hp Valla Vault into the enemy team to Strafe today. The results were as expected. Near-zero damage and a very dead Valla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathonia View Post
    Still, it's Morales. A single diving hero and you don't get the peels you need and you are just dead.
    Morales peels for herself. Also, good positioning is key. A Morales who positions well is really, really, really fucking hard to kill

    I usually have the fewest deaths as Morales - it's all about abusing the stretchy break points of her Q. The beam will continue channelling for a few seconds after the target leaves its cast range, so you can walk in to max-range heal your target then GTFO for a second or two and let the beam stretch before ducking back in. You end up SO far in the back for teamfights that even an Illidan has trouble reaching you. If the other team has a lot of dive, you take Clear! at 7 and Second Opinion at 16 and you won't really have any trouble. If they don't have much dive you will basically never die all game unless you do something really stupid.
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    When i play im not even trying to win anymore. I just play heroes that are good at seiging. I give my team 2 chances at the objective. If we fail both, then I just split push all game. Sometimes we win sometimes we dont. Just now I won split pushing as Artanis. The enemy went for the boss as I was pushing the core. Took it out before they responded to me. Well one of them did. I ulted him and got him off my back for 8 seconds.
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    I wanted to share my screenie of that triple support HL game I was talking about; This game was last saturday, but Ive only played one more match after that.

    Score screen. We won this with our core at 90%. Jaina and Nazeebo were in a party, and they had beaten us in a previous game. My Li Li pick was not intended, I goofed up bigtime on the draft.

    I checked our replay, and in the end, It was my friend on Nova and a couple of others that got some ganks at the last moments which allowed us to get the game winning temples.

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    (next time ill try posting smaller screenies if thee are too big.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttak82 View Post
    I wanted to share my screenie of that triple support HL game I was talking about; This game was last saturday, but Ive only played one more match after that.

    Score screen. We won this with our core at 90%. Jaina and Nazeebo were in a party, and they had beaten us in a previous game. My Li Li pick was not intended, I goofed up bigtime on the draft.

    I checked our replay, and in the end, It was my friend on Nova and a couple of others that got some ganks at the last moments which allowed us to get the game winning temples.

    Talents:


    (next time ill try posting smaller screenies if thee are too big.)
    Haha, looking at your stats screen, I was thinking that Malfurion HAD to have gone for a Moonfire build with that much siege. Then I saw the talents screen, he didn't just go full Moonfire, he went straight up damage period, heh. The 3 Moonfire talents, plus 2 talents that buff the Roots damage, and Twilight Dream for good measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormcall View Post
    Haha, looking at your stats screen, I was thinking that Malfurion HAD to have gone for a Moonfire build with that much siege. Then I saw the talents screen, he didn't just go full Moonfire, he went straight up damage period, heh. The 3 Moonfire talents, plus 2 talents that buff the Roots damage, and Twilight Dream for good measure.
    Basically he was farming XP and sieging like crazy, mostly away from the team; he helped us get all that xp. A lot of our TFs in that game were most with 4 or 3 of us. I made it clear I'd go double dragon from the start.

    At the end of the match, 3 of us were like gg, because we thought we would not be able to pull a win from that draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttak82 View Post
    (next time ill try posting smaller screenies if thee are too big.)
    You can add a lower-case L at the end of the link before the .filetype, as such:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
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    the amount of super weird if not outright bad talent choices is over the top^^. would love to know what rank that was at.

    like you had some really funny wombo combo potential which was totally not used, as in 3 shrinkrays nova aoe ult butcher aoe ult malf aoe ult which does really nice dmg plus force wall on top of it.^^

    hell butcher alone with 3 shrinkrays wouldve slaughtered everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothar View Post
    the amount of super weird if not outright bad talent choices is over the top^^. would love to know what rank that was at.

    like you had some really funny wombo combo potential which was totally not used, as in 3 shrinkrays nova aoe ult butcher aoe ult malf aoe ult which does really nice dmg plus force wall on top of it.^^

    hell butcher alone with 3 shrinkrays wouldve slaughtered everybody.
    Which hero in particular, are u refering to as badly talented?
    Match was mostly full of solo duo queues so we did not go for wombo combos. How ever its something ill consider next time, thanks. In a lot of TF, ee had low hp if wr won, so usually it wss nailbiting stuff.
    Malf talented for xp farming and as I said he was mostly laning.

    For my friend and I, the game was a placement game, dont know what rank others were at. Im assuming lower brackets/rank.

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    4:07 - quickest AI stomp post patch.

  19. #2319
    Quote Originally Posted by Nerraw View Post
    Am I the only one getting the feeling that Uther is actually detrimental in random play? I know he's considered the best in competitive, and it has been proven many times in quite epic matches, but I honestly feel someone like Malfurion is better in random HL matches. Your main heal is a HoT, it's on a lower cooldown than Uther's, and Tranq is quite the "GET IN HERE AND GET HEALS" signal. Plus the majority of people I use Divine Shield on have no idea how to utilize it properly.
    I went through a very long phase of being in love with Malfurion, but in my experience he's only as good as your weakest team mate. If you're tank isn't good, or your squishies can't position he doesn't get much done.

    Right now, Kharazim is my healer of choice. Radiant Dash is amazing, maybe my favourite ability in the game, you have strong aoe healing, insane sustainability through your trait and E. Plus, he can talent for reveal, cleanse, clairvoyance, SSS wrecks front liners and DP ruins burst.

    I actually think that Uther is just balanced in random groups.
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    I have actually rediscovered Morales in HL this afternoon. Once you get the positioning down there's very little the other team can do if they don't specifically counter-pick her. And very few seem to be able to do that.

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