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    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    LOL keep digging.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeach..._United_States

    Impeachment in the United States is an expressed power of the legislature that allows for formal charges against a civil officer of government for crimes committed in office. The actual trial on those charges, and subsequent removal of an official on conviction on those charges, is separate from the act of impeachment itself.

    Impeachment is analogous to indictment in regular court proceedings, while trial by the other house is analogous to the trial before judge and jury in regular courts. Typically, the lower house of the legislature will impeach the official and the upper house will conduct the trial.


    Btw I know what a Liberal is MUCH better than you do apparently. Then again youa re probably one of those who thinks Liberals hates the 2nd amendment
    Wow, just wow. What do you not understand? Yes he was impeached by the House, and guess what? HE WAS FOUND NOT FUCKING GUILTY by the Senate. CAN YOU READ THIS?

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    "Although one-third of Americans endorsed impeaching Obama, according to the CNN poll, a sizable 65% said they wouldn't take that step. There were also, expectedly, partisan divisions on the question with 57% of Republicans but only 35% of independents and 13% of Democrats backing a move to impeach Obama."

    So that's a poll unlikely to be sought out by non-impeachers, on a website that's bound to have bias, where still ~2/3 of the voters don't want to impeach.
    Sounds more sane than the title makes out.
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    Man, am I glad to be a European.

  4. #704
    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post
    1st leave race and sex out of it. Vote for the best option. Right now Civil Liberties is the biggest fucking issue this country has
    Eew liberties

    How are we going to get to nanny statism if everyone is running around with free-thought and making their own choices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledfang View Post
    He cant garner bipartisan support.
    1.No one can garner bipartisan support in the US Political Climate. You got two parties. Extreme Right with Tea party and friends and Center Right (Or in American terms "Liberal") and various smaller gorups such as the American Socialist party, Greens etc, who do not even exist outside of a few small towns. In fact the US is a Oligarchy. The fact that Americans vote the same Group in every time and wonder, why they are behind the rest of the devloped world.

    Also I dont think he cares about people illegally coming to our country!
    He has deported more people then previous administrations. The US is deporting at record levels right now. Not much more he can do outside of something insane like recreating the N/S Korean Border.

    If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead. Bill Clinton is far behind with 869,676 total and 9,059 per month. All previous occupants of the White House going back to 1892 fell well short of the level of the three most recent presidents.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-any-other-pr/

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    It is like you want to prove the sterotypes about Americans are true with all your heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reds4Life View Post
    Your tinfoil fedora is on way too tight. Not a single Republican leader is talking at all about any impeachments. The only people talking about impeachment are Democrats. Anything to raise that dough...
    Thats true. In fact the majority of elected Republicans in leadership positions have flat out said they wont even bring it up impeachment including the Person who would have to allow the proceedings to start (Boehner). He flat ruled it out. The ONLY prominent Republican Ive seen that said we should start impeachment proceedings was Sarah Palin, and she isnt even in any elected office so she doesnt matter. The Dems are trying to make people THINK that the Republicans want to impeach him to try and get votes and avoid losing the Senate this fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    No, his license was suspended for several years. The suspension lifted a long time ago, and so as per the deal he cut with the prosecuters he is no longer restricted from practicing law.
    Like he ever would anyway, although it would be funny if someone hired him to defend them in a DUI case or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelhiss View Post
    Not many people know it because it isn't true. That's a rumor that was brought up, much like the birther argument, by political opponents. Mr. and Mrs. Obama no longer have active licenses to practice law, but that is because they let them expire, not because they were disbarred. For more info, see below.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/the...-law-licenses/
    Im pretty sure he was referencing Clinton being disbarred, not Obama. And Clinton wasnt actually disbarred because he resigned before they could do it, although he wouldve been disbarred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oktoberfest View Post

    Whats sad is your entire argument is to shoot the messenger. You dismiss a good article simply because you dont like the site. Says alot about you.
    Yeah, it really annoys me when people dismiss anything you link if it doesnt come from Huffington Post, or MSNBC. If you read the article and disagree, then say so, but just because an article is on Fox News, or The Washington Post, or Newsmax, doesnt mean its automatically trash. If it is an opinion piece, sure go ahead and trash it. But when its an article the contains irrefutable facts, then you really should at least read it before bashing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerinPally View Post
    So what? Here's what we've gathered so far:

    There is no solid case written up to impeach Obama although some guy says that there is "no doubt" - very dubious claim, if there was no doubt then this would be easy. Secondly, you say the reason that this hasn't happened is because they're scared - based purely off opinion, highly dubious. I don't know how the law works in the USA but I believe over here, if you know that someone has committed a serious crime and you do nothing about it, that makes you an accomplice/accessory. So by not having the balls to do this, all your politicians could be committing a criminal offense. And you want to replace Obama with one of them?

    Your voting history is meaningless, we're judging you off the merits of your arguments which so far consist of "muh feelingz" and a conspiracy website.
    It wouldnt matter if the House voted for impeachment. Its a politically dumb thing to even do because the Senate wouldnt remove him from office even if he slit the throat of a baby on the front porch of the White House in broad daylight, and many of the posters on this forum would defend him for it too, and say Fox News is making it out to be worse than it is or some such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    It wouldnt matter if the House voted for impeachment. Its a politically dumb thing to even do because the Senate wouldnt remove him from office even if he slit the throat of a baby on the front porch of the White House in broad daylight, and many of the posters on this forum would defend him for it too, and say Fox News is making it out to be worse than it is or some such.
    While I'll fully agree that the Democrats are unlikely to unseat a sitting Democratic president, the hyperbole is a bit much. There are limits to party loyalty, and I highly doubt the Dems would sacrifice the entire political party for the sake of the President, especially now that the VP is guaranteed to be the same party as the President is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Thats true. In fact the majority of elected Republicans in leadership positions have flat out said they wont even bring it up impeachment including the Person who would have to allow the proceedings to start (Boehner). He flat ruled it out. The ONLY prominent Republican Ive seen that said we should start impeachment proceedings was Sarah Palin, and she isnt even in any elected office so she doesnt matter. The Dems are trying to make people THINK that the Republicans want to impeach him to try and get votes and avoid losing the Senate this fall.
    Are we changing it from "the only people talking about it are democrats" to "the only prominent republican I see"? It has been discussed openly by republicans who have proudly talked about their constituents whining about wanting to impeach Obama. It's great to see you haven't lost your obliviousness to reality.

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    10 people vote. 3 say we gotta shoot Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by nôrps View Post
    I just think you retards are starting to get ridiculous with your childish language.

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    Are there dumber people alive than those who think that things would be different in the United States if they just had a different president? The tie would be red rather than blue, so I guess you'd have that, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Televators View Post
    Are there dumber people alive than those who think that things would be different in the United States if they just had a different president? The tie would be red rather than blue, so I guess you'd have that, at least.
    And there wouldn't be a black person in the white house. I find it hard to believe that this isn't some part of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Televators View Post
    Are there dumber people alive than those who think that things would be different in the United States if they just had a different president? The tie would be red rather than blue, so I guess you'd have that, at least.
    Well... the last couple Republican candidates more or less said that they hate me and wish I had died as a child. So I didn't vote for them because I felt they may act on their opinions.
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  14. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    I don't think you actually know what the process of impeachment actually is. Impeachment is like a warrant for arrest, impeachment hearings are like a trial, and he was FOUND NOT GUILTY. If you do not understand this then there is no help for you. I mean there was no help for you anyway and I am not risking an infraction for you either and your lack of intelligence and understanding. I mean you actually claim to be a liberal democrat but act like a TEA Party Republican.

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    Yeah hes a liberal but with every talking point of a Tea Party Republican. Every single post is like this. So its best to just ignore and move on instead of talking to someone who doesn't even know their own identity.
    He is a tea party republican. Hes just posting constantly that hes liberal in some stupid attempt to make us think his opinion should be taken seriously and that somehow there are "liberals" going tea party.

  15. #715
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    How so?
    1. You may, MAYBE, if you held all the Republicans' toes to the fire, actually get him impeached -- which remember, means the paperwork, not the trial or his removal from office. You will simply never get 67 votes in the Senate, which means it is nothing but an empty gesture.

    2. The Democrats' narrative on the Republicans is very clear: They're a bunch of crybaby, do-nothing obstructionists more interested in scoring political points and making sure Obama never gets anything done than in actually having a hand in governing the nation. Can you think of any single thing the Republicans could possibly do to play right into that narrative more than to take time out to file completely political impeachment papers that they know will never under any circumstances actually remove the president from office?

    2a. Let's not forgot the power of playing into existing narratives. Take as one example of many the ham-fisted but ultimately innocent "binders full of women" comment. It got national attention because it plays into the existing narrative of the GOP's "war against women." Doesn't matter if there is any such thing -- the narrative is working and he played right into it.

    3. History. The last time they tried this game with Bill Clinton (against whom they actually had a better case) was one of the last times until only recently that more than 50% of the country had an unfavorable view of the Republican Party. They were widely expected to win the 1998 elections, but instead the impeachment nonsense turned off enough voters that they actually lost five seats. Even Newt Gingrich, the Speaker of the House in 1998 and the leading force for impeachment, regrets impeaching Clinton and has admitted that it tarnished Republicans for years to come. He resigned the speakership of the House after the election, and resigned from Congress two months later in January.

    So yes, Republicans, keep pushing the impeachment agenda. Go vote! I hope you pass it. I can't think of a better way to help the Democrats out for years to come.

  16. #716
    Question is now, what does the Obama Administration need to do to actually get a controversy crisis to stick?

    Any ideas?

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    Actually get a controversy would be a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurkuris View Post
    Question is now, what does the Obama Administration need to do to actually get a controversy crisis to stick?

    Any ideas?

    Well... they would have to have an actual controversy that gets picked up by the crazies. Unfortunately, the crazies only latch onto the crazy conspiracy theories that aren't real controversies.
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    god dam it guys...we've had this discussion before...Palin is NOT allowed to be release out of her cage without supervision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    god dam it guys...we've had this discussion before...Palin is NOT allowed to be release out of her cage without supervision.
    She somehow keeps gnawing her leg off to get out of the shackles...
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