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  1. #921
    Quote Originally Posted by Orrin View Post
    There could be 5.3 series of quests for Alliance for epic taking back of Ashenvale and building staging ground for siege of Orgrimmar, there could be military defense of some zones from Horde in Cata, there could be Twighlight Highlands intro and outro (there's no logical ending for the zone, we spend all time gather dwarven clans and then there's wedding, after that we go to help SI7 head to do things at Twightlight Hammer base like dwarves didn't matter at all; it's not an outro).
    They already said the twlight highlands zone was rushed for the alliance.
    Ashenvale has always been an area of contention. especially now that malfurion is back and should be minding these sacred lands but .......

  2. #922
    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    New NPC they added to Stormshield makes it seem like they don't see the issue with the faction being ruled and centered around humans and humans exclusively. GG

    It's pretty obvious they don't give a crap when they put all the guards in Stormshield in Stormwind footman armor, they don't have to go making jokes about it.

  3. #923
    Quote Originally Posted by slyphofspace View Post
    1) Why does the horde story always take precedence over the alliance story?
    Because Blizzard wanted to put the war back into Warcraft. It **SHOULD** have had the Alliance start the war. After the events in Wrathgate and what Sylvanas was doing, they had more than enough excuse. Instead, they decided to have the Horde start it, taking advantage of the Cataclysm whilst the Alliance was supposedly dealing with the aftermath and focussing on Deathwing.

    Nothing inherently wrong with that - but Blizzard cut a LOT of Alliance content due to time and resource issues. We lost the Worgen Forsaken war. The Worgen models were glitched and incomplete. The Twilight Highlands intro was cut. The Alliance intro to the Redoubt was replaced by simply shoving them into the Horde intro. Various quests and storylines were not completed or left with rushed endings. And so on.

    I.E Twilight Highlands, Robot Cat, High King of the Alliance?
    TH - time. RC - haven't got a clue why they did it that way. HK - they weren't happy with the reaction to the Dwarf and NElf storylines. The reactions was understandable - instead of building Varian up, they tore the other leaders down.

    2) Why is it that so many Horde victories are shown in game, yet Alliance needs to read the books?
    Because in a Horde dominated story, the Horde systems get done first.

    3) Do you feel like you handled Thrall's supposed neutrality badly?
    Actually? I don't think they did.....in that he never came across as neutral. Thralls big problems is the way he is shoved into stories that don't concern him, where he gets spotlighted without cause. For example, there isn't any way you can excuse the focus he had in the Firelands patch. That ***SHOULD** have been the NElfs and Malfurion storyline. Even the Dark Irons had a better claim to be involved, given their enslavement for 200 years.

    4) If there were any racial leaders who needed to be killed off, who would be your first choice for the chopping block?
    Malfurion - race traitor that he is. Tyrande needs to kick him and his druids out and reassert control over "neutral" NElfs lands such as Moonglade.
    Velen - not necessarily killed, but removed. The Draenei need a revolution to replace him with someone more active.

    The rest simply need to be used, and used properly.

    On the Horde side? Sylvanas. Her story is done, and shes holding back that of the Horde and Forsaken.
    Thrall....there is too much focus on him and he's used far too often.

    5) Will we ever see a focus on Night Elves or Gilnean's as alliance hero's?
    Hopefully.

    7) What was the so called "Fist-bump" moment?
    Dalaran. Pity the Alliance players ended up getting told off by the King while the Horde got to run through an epic jail break /rescue story.

    EJL

  4. #924
    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    As in..this? http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h...9QEwAQ&dur=480

    Seems Horde lost an awful lit. Then again..wasn't there a thread recently how ppl never let get facts in the way of what they perceive to be true?
    That post does take certain liberties...


    We don't think flying makes questing quicker. We think it makes it trivial. There is a difference. Source
    How does flying trivialise this quest?
    Cherry picking data, have a read.

  5. #925
    Quote Originally Posted by Orrin View Post
    So Alliance is fucked again in this regard. Great
    Actually that sounds like anyone who isn't Orc is fucked up!

  6. #926
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Actually? I don't think they did.....in that he never came across as neutral. Thralls big problems is the way he is shoved into stories that don't concern him, where he gets spotlighted without cause. For example, there isn't any way you can excuse the focus he had in the Firelands patch. That ***SHOULD** have been the NElfs and Malfurion storyline. Even the Dark Irons had a better claim to be involved, given their enslavement for 200 years.
    What are you talking about? He's leader of the Earthen Ring and one of the most powerful Shaman in the world. Of course it concerned him.

    You might as well say the Lich King didn't concern Tirion Fordring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    What are you talking about? He's leader of the Earthen Ring and one of the most powerful Shaman in the world. Of course it concerned him.

    You might as well say the Lich King didn't concern Tirion Fordring.
    Because Blizzard made him green Jesus... He's turning into Me'dan

  8. #928
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    What are you talking about? He's leader of the Earthen Ring and one of the most powerful Shaman in the world. Of course it concerned him.

    You might as well say the Lich King didn't concern Tirion Fordring.
    Up until Cataclysm, Muln Earthfury was the leader of the Earthen Ring and Thrall was by no means the most powerful shaman in the world.

    So, yes, Thrall was shoved into stories that he shouldn't have been in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    New NPC they added to Stormshield makes it seem like they don't see the issue with the faction being ruled and centered around humans and humans exclusively. GG

    I found that pretty funny to be honest, and it's probably just placeholder text till the story people get there.

  10. #930
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    What are you talking about? He's leader of the Earthen Ring and one of the most powerful Shaman in the world. Of course it concerned him.

    You might as well say the Lich King didn't concern Tirion Fordring.
    No, Thrall had no business in the Firelands story, at least not to the degree he did.

    The quote below is taken from http://childrenofwrath.blogspot.com/...th-thrall.html Please take the time to read the full article because this one part doesn't do the issue justice.

    Which brings us to the quest Elemental Bonds. One of the centerpieces of the 4.2 patch, Rage of the Firelands, this quest served as Staghelm's coming out party as an actual villain. Malfurion and the four Dragon Aspects unite to attempt to restore the World Tree. Five of Staghelm's most hated enemies, and Staghelm's hatred has brewed for millennia. Malfurion would go on to lead an assault into the heart of the Firelands, and eventually permanently destroys Ragnaros, Staghelm's new master. Not only does Staghelm hate Malfurion, but Malfurion is also a present threat to Staghelm's new employer. It's a two for one deal for vengeance, always a good move. So, with Staghelm's history, circumstance, and new found power, he crashes the ritual. His five most hated enemies, caught distracted and vulnerable. So what does he do? He attacks Thrall.

  11. #931
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    No, Thrall had no business in the Firelands story, at least not to the degree he did.

    The quote below is taken from http://childrenofwrath.blogspot.com/...th-thrall.html Please take the time to read the full article because this one part doesn't do the issue justice.
    Awesome link. +1

  12. #932
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    No, Thrall had no business in the Firelands story, at least not to the degree he did.

    The quote below is taken from http://childrenofwrath.blogspot.com/...th-thrall.html Please take the time to read the full article because this one part doesn't do the issue justice.
    The reason why thrall was put into the firelands quest was for the horde to have some connection to the firelands quest.
    The alliance was supposedly following Malfurion.

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    Yes thrall, sylvanas, anduinn and malfurion need to die so bad. They are so annoying!

  14. #934
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
    The reason why thrall was put into the firelands quest was for the horde to have some connection to the firelands quest.
    The alliance was supposedly following Malfurion.
    Isn't that what Hamuul was for?

  15. #935
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    Isn't that what Hamuul was for?
    Initially yes but i assume they put thrall in as a good portion of the horde player base have no idea who Hammul is.

    Which is quite sad really that people can play a game for years and still not get into the storyline.

    I dont know how people can say they play an rpg and not be interested in the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
    The reason why thrall was put into the firelands quest was for the horde to have some connection to the firelands quest.
    The alliance was supposedly following Malfurion.
    You could have followed Hamuul.

  17. #937
    Quote Originally Posted by JudgePayne View Post
    Initially yes but i assume they put thrall in as a good portion of the horde player base have no idea who Hammul is.

    Which is quite sad really that people can play a game for years and still not get into the storyline.

    I dont know how people can say they play an rpg and not be interested in the story.
    IMO it should have been Malfurion and Hamuul for all druid related things and Muln and Nobundo for shaman related things.

  18. #938
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    IMO it should have been Malfurion and Hamuul for all druid related things and Muln and Nobundo for shaman related things.
    That would be good because it would give blizzard a subset of npcs who are the go to people for particular class issues.

  19. #939
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Actually? I don't think they did.....in that he never came across as neutral. Thralls big problems is the way he is shoved into stories that don't concern him, where he gets spotlighted without cause. For example, there isn't any way you can excuse the focus he had in the Firelands patch. That ***SHOULD** have been the NElfs and Malfurion storyline. Even the Dark Irons had a better claim to be involved, given their enslavement for 200 years.
    Just on the Thrall aspect, I think it was a poor decision to try and make him neutral. They should have had Thrall and Malfurion working together since they are the respective "top power" of either faction (most powerful druid/shaman, etc, etc), plus both have ties to their class' respective neutral faction, and have them sort of putting aside faction differences to work towards a common goal.

    Claiming Thrall is neutral is sort of like saying Mickey Mouse is no longer a Disney character for a year. Nobody is going to buy that, they'll still know Mickey Mouse *IS* Disney's mascot. Thrall has always been the Horde's representative character for all marketing materials.
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