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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooninites View Post
    Fluiddruid is probably the largest community of feral druids you're going to find.
    Yet it still only represent druid hardcore enough to go on a class specific forum. So he is right. It doesn't represent the majority of druid players. Not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Yet it still only represent druid hardcore enough to go on a class specific forum. So he is right. It doesn't represent the majority of druid players. Not even close.
    I mean by that logic you are never going to be able to adequately gather feedback, because there is always a large portion of the player base that doesn't go to forums or other sites to get info. I wouldn't really argue that you have to be "hardcore enough to go to a class specific forum", there are plenty of people that do and raid casually. Furthermore, shouldn't we be catering to people who understand the class and play it at a relatively reasonable level anyway? I mean if these players can't even be bothered to learn the spec they're playing then why are we changing aspects of the spec to cater to them? I understand there needs to be a balance, that every spec has to have some entry level it can be played at. But if managing Savage Roar is too difficult for new players then they have the option to glyph for it, I don't really see the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooninites View Post
    Furthermore, shouldn't we be catering to people who understand the class and play it at a relatively reasonable level anyway? I mean if these players can't even be bothered to learn the spec they're playing then why are we changing aspects of the spec to cater to them?
    Because there's far more of them than those that play at what is generally defined by others as "relatively reasonable", as that is usually defined as above average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Because there's far more of them than those that play at what is generally defined by others as "relatively reasonable", as that is usually defined as above average.
    Depends what your standards are. Above average to what, LFR? I don't want the standard of play to be considered an LFR or Flex level

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooninites View Post
    Depends what your standards are. Above average to what, LFR? I don't want the standard of play to be considered an LFR or Flex level
    Except LFR/Flex is almost definitely above average already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooninites View Post
    Fluiddruid is probably the largest community of feral druids you're going to find.
    Yes I know that. My point is that the people of Fluiddruid represent a tiny portion of feral players. The majority of feral (and indeed players in general) will not post nor read any forums, let alone specialist ones. The type of people that frequent places like Fluiddruid are generally high end raiders and experienced players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Except LFR/Flex is almost definitely above average already.
    If you value that, I'm not going to reward players who do the bare minimum, which in this case is literally queueing up for LFR, hell they could go afk for all we know. LFR and Flex are not above average players, they are way below the threshold. They should be considered the floor, not close to the ceiling; a lot of other games that have competitive scenes or gameplay balance from the upper echelon of players downward, not vice versa, and rightfully so

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    And there is still -nothing- wrong with Savage Roar. If a person can't handle that simple of a class mechanic they simply aren't trying hard enough.

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