Mentally Reprogramming Criminals, is it ethical to FORCE them to undergo it?

[Ticj]

In a perfect world where it wouldn't be abused, sure, but only if it's voluntary.

[Zenotetsuken]

there are more ppl in the world who use things for good then there are ppl in the world who use things for evil, making the odds be there would be plenty of ppl using the tool for good

We are talking about it being used on prisoners who are essentially "owned" by the government. There wouldn't be "people" using it at all, there would be governments using it.

[Cradix]

when did a right wing government ever send people that wouldn't conform to reeducation camps?

Well, in this regard you are right. Left leaning dictatorships tend to have re-education camps.

Right wing dictatorships, on the other hand, prefer death camps. Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and Fransisco Franco easily spring to mind.

im not wanting to use the tool for evil however...im wanting to use it for good

Were the words that started every single act of evil ever performed. As they say, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

[Derah]

Watch the film "Clockwork Orange".

/End of Thread.

(Short answer is: not ethical even if it's safe or voluntary)

[Total Crica]

Well, in this regard you are right. Left leaning dictatorships tend to have re-education camps.

Right wing dictatorships, on the other hand, prefer death camps. Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, and Fransisco Franco easily spring to mind.



Were the words that started every single act of evil ever performed. As they say, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".

and the question OP is asking is using the tool good or evil...i say using the tool is good if used on ppl who want it used on them of their own volition (or on ppl who are an immediate threat that you would otherwise have to kill in order to survive...)

[Cradix]

i say using the tool is good if used on ppl who want it used on them of their own volition

And then the procedure gets done to you because your refusal to have it performed on you means that you will be a murderer, and thus the government has every right to perform it on you to prevent you from becoming a murder, and you agreed to let them perform it on you, because hey, it's for the greater good.

[OneSent]

This would be the beginning of an extremely dangerous, slippery slope.

First, the criminals. Next, the unambitious? Children who cannot focus in school? Those individuals who think outside the norm?

The moment we start tampering with reprogramming people's minds with the law to back it up, I assure you, it will be the beginning of the end for all free thought. And using criminals as the first wave example for "how wonderful this technology can be for society" is exactly how they'd get us to accept it.

Nope. A thousand times, nope.

[Total Crica]

And then the procedure gets done to you because your refusal to have it performed on you means that you will be a murderer, and thus the government has every right to perform it on you to prevent you from becoming a murder, and you agreed to let them perform it on you, because hey, it's for the greater good.

"will be"? no one knows what someone "will be" so that scenario can not exist ever...unless you are saying hypothetically that ppl know the future in this scenario?

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This would be the beginning of an extremely dangerous, slippery slope.

First, the criminals. Next, the unambitious? Children who cannot focus in school? Those individuals who think outside the norm?

The moment we start tampering with reprogramming people's minds with the law to back it up, I assure you, it will be the beginning of the end for all free thought. And using criminals as the first wave example for "how wonderful this technology can be for society" is exactly how they'd get us to accept it.

Nope. A thousand times, nope.

why do ppl assume everyone is going to use the tool for evil? the majority of gun owners dont use guns for evil but COULD...

[Mirishka]

Your topic lacks a 'just shoot them' option.

[Cradix]

"will be"? no one knows what someone "will be" so that scenario can not exist ever...unless you are saying hypothetically that ppl know the future in this scenario?

Doesn't matter. By agreeing with the procedure, you agree with any government that says that you could be a potential murderer, and thus for the greater good of society you agree to have the procedure done to you to prevent you from becoming a potential murderer since you agree that your own freedom be damned, you'll gladly give it up for the greater good of society. And if the government says that having the procedure is good for society, you'll have it done to you, whether you want it or not.

[Total Crica]

Your topic lacks a 'just shoot them' option.

that option already exists in reality

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By agreeing with the procedure, you agree with any government that says that you could be a potential murderer

no, the OP's tool is for ppl who DO murder, rape, etc, not for ppl who have never

[AmericanJustice]

Your topic lacks a 'just shoot them' option.

Why? The reason why the Death Penalty exists is to 1) satisfy the victims 2)because we cannot reform them
If we can offer tools to give them the ability to cure their murderous nature, than the death penalty will become utterly and completely pointless. Victims for the most part do not want another person getting murdered.

[Cradix]

no, the OP's tool is for ppl who DO murder, rape, etc, not for ppl who have never

And if this procedure existed, which do you think a government would want: a society where people may become murderers and have the procedure done to them after the fact, or a society where they preclude all that by having the procedure done to everyone before they have the chance to?

But since you're apparently incapable of understaning the blindingly obvious, let me spell it out for ya, ok?

If this procedure existed, there's nothing preventing any government with it from arresting you for murder and having it done on you against your will. Nothing at all.

[Dispraise]

Were the words that started every single act of evil ever performed.

That's not even remotely true.

[Total Crica]

If this procedure existed, there's nothing preventing any government with it from arresting you for murder and having it done on you against your will. Nothing at all.

there is nothing from preventing any government from arresting you for murder right now and killing you/incarcerating you for it against your will either, your point?

[AmericanJustice]

And if this procedure existed, which do you think a government would want: a society where people may become murderers and have the procedure done to them after the fact, or a society where they preclude all that by having the procedure done to everyone before they have the chance to?

In the US, in order for you to be punished, you need to first commit a crime first. Pre-emptive punishment is unconstitutional as there is no real due process.
and requiring someone who commits a non severe violent crime to undergo could be considered a violation of the 8th amendment. For the most part it should just be voluntary, and any "required" would be reserved for the worst. Example: in exchange to 40 years to life for triple murder and rape, you can be rehabilitated and released shortly afterwards.
Supreme ruling could go some ways in keeping the government from using this pre-emptively. In addition, there should be enough backlash from the public + defectors within government, if the government decides to use it pre-emptively on innocents and non serious criminals, but when it gets used on the worst criminals with their conscent, I doubt that would be a problem.

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This appears to be the most con-traversal topic I have ever seen. There was literally a 50%-50% split...

[Kaleredar]

How well did this work in a Clockwork orange?

[Cradix]

there is nothing from preventing any government from arresting you for murder right now and killing you/incarcerating you for it against your will either, your point?

The point being that I'm showing just how blind you are to the very obvious use this procedure would have if it existed.

[Total Crica]

How well did this work in a Clockwork orange?

how well did something work in a fictional movie? why?

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The point being that I'm showing just how blind you are to the very obvious use this procedure would have if it existed.

murderer's are arrested and put in prison and/or executed against their will now, why would anyone be upset if their desire to murder was taken away against their will while in prison?

[derpkitteh]

so, this type of people would rather just let criminals free so they can kill and rape then. they don't want to fix them, and they don't want to kill them. good to know that the world is totally gonna go to shit at your hands.

i can't even wrap my mind around the type of person that wouldn't do this. it's beyond all comprehension that anyone could be so goddamn braindead retarded. no, it's not even retarded, at least the retarded don't jackoff to their false, smug sense of moral superiority.

yes, i would force them to undergo it. they are defective and need to be fixed.