Obama and Immigration

[fengosa]

citation needed please.

Since hitting the campaign trail in Texas, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has opposed the agenda of the DREAMers. He rejects a pathway to citizenship for the undocumented. He called President Barack Obama’s decision to defer deportation for most immigrants brought here illegally as children “illegal.” He wants to build a massive border wall.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3786112.html

OK, you can make an argument that he's only supporting current laws but given that his job is to propose and craft new laws you can easily argue that Cruz is against immigration reform at the very least.

[spanishninja]

I know many people who have been in this country longer than I have been alive ... still don't speak English. Freedom of Speech includes all languages as well, imo.

you can be in the country forever and still not be integrated.

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Large swaths of the right are anti immigration.

they're anti-illegal immigration. More specifically, they're against influx of poorly-educated, lower class people. the right wing is more than happy with bringing in engineers to work for corporations on the cheap instead of them having to hire american counterparts.

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You really think all the complaints about "changing demographics" are exclusive to illegals?

I don't know about all, but when's the last time republicans complained about there being too many Asian accountants or scientists coming to the US legally?

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Immigration is nothing more than people moving around on the planet. We've been doing it for hundreds of thousands of years.

Apart from erecting gigantic steel walls around our imaginary borders, people will continue to be curious about American life and seek a place here among the rest of us.

Instead of slamming the door in their face and turning them away, perhaps we should be looking at better ways to integrate them.

the existence of these "imaginary borders" means that America ends up footing the bill for many of the people who come here from countries that aren't doing their jobs taking care of their own people.

[Stormspellz]

Forgot the most important reason, and the only reason he's doing it.

It will attempt to ensure millions of Democratic Votes manifest as Republicans try to undo yet another of his BS acts.

This is about a corrupt man's attempt to take over our system. Nothing else. You can track everything he does by if it will give him an edge.

The fox kool aid is strong in this one, i suggest you look into voter laws and actual voter fraud percentage since you seem to be one of "those" people. But for giggles what is so corrupt about the president using the powers of the office granted to him by law?

[Atrea]

the existence of these "imaginary borders" means that America ends up footing the bill for many of the people who come here from countries that aren't doing their jobs taking care of their own people.

Many people consider the USA to be one of those 'countries that aren't doing their jobs taking care of their own people.'

Food for thought.

[spanishninja]

Your system does. You can rent a house, get paid from work, make an electricity contract etc. while being an illegal immigrant. You can live in the society as a illegal immigrant.
You can't here. An illegal immigrant has two options in Finland; be a beggar or a criminal. You can't work, live, do any kind of contracts or use any medical services, can't go to school etc. if you are an illegal immigrant.

hey now, we don't want to be compared with a backwater, totally nonprogressive country like Finland!

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Many people consider the USA to be one of those 'countries that aren't doing their jobs taking care of their own people.'

Food for thought.

that's right. so why add to the problem and make it worse? Think simple starcraft and "you have reached the maximum supply limit".

[Atrea]

that's right. so why add to the problem and make it worse? Think simple starcraft and "you have reached the maximum supply limit".

The whole 'footing the bill' part that you alluded to is patently false, considering the USA's track record of not even doing that for its own people.

Its own corporations, yes, but that's an entirely different story.

The premise itself is false. There will be no additional bill-footing, because there isn't any to begin with anyway.
Tales of illegal immigrants receiving welfare benefits are wholly unsubstantiated, and considering the difficulty that naturalized citizens have acquiring these services, they are ludicrous. Yet these unverified claims are all it takes for someone who wants to blame immigrants for their own problems.

Anyone who makes nebulous complaints about 'illegal immigrants' is ignorant, racist, and extremely short-sighted.

[Khoranth]

Keep in mind most of them likely came without ID so it will be difficult to know where they came from. Since they're Central American and not Mexican it's not as easy as just catapulting them over the border.

Well i did not say it will be easy, but we really need to reunite these kids with their parents. Currently the US is holding them hostage for political gain.

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Citation needed. To my knowledge many of these children were escaping countries where their lives were in danger.

Lives are in danger? This describes every child living south of the USA, basically. Should we send down planes & boats and remove all children from Mexico and South America?

The human traffickers went on a scamming campaign to trick people out of their money. That is why there has been this massive surge of children coming here.

[spanishninja]

The whole 'footing the bill' part that you alluded to is patently false, considering the USA's track record of not even doing that for its own people.

Its own corporations, yes, but that's an entirely different story.

The premise itself is false. There will be no additional bill-footing, because there isn't any to begin with anyway.
Tales of illegal immigrants receiving welfare benefits are wholly unsubstantiated, and considering the difficulty that naturalized citizens have acquiring these services, they are ludicrous. Yet these unverified claims are all it takes for someone who wants to blame immigrants for their own problems.

Anyone who makes nebulous complaints about 'illegal immigrants' is ignorant, racist, and extremely short-sighted.

just think common sense. what happens when there are more people living in the same area with same available resources?

[TZK203]

The whole 'footing the bill' part that you alluded to is patently false, considering the USA's track record of not even doing that for its own people.

Its own corporations, yes, but that's an entirely different story.

The premise itself is false. There will be no additional bill-footing, because there isn't any to begin with anyway.
Tales of illegal immigrants receiving welfare benefits are wholly unsubstantiated, and considering the difficulty that naturalized citizens have acquiring these services, they are ludicrous. Yet these unverified claims are all it takes for someone who wants to blame immigrants for their own problems.

Anyone who makes nebulous complaints about 'illegal immigrants' is ignorant, racist, and extremely short-sighted.

Aah, yes, the racism card.

Really, now? There can be illegal immigrants coming from my country. Am I racist in opposing them staying here?

Is it racist to secure the border to stop the influx of illegal immigrants?

[Xires]

This is probably his one and only smart decision. USA foundations are BASED ON IMMIGRANTS.

They are based on LEGAL immigrants that want to be Americans. Not ILLEGAL immigrants that want to bring there country to the US. There is a difference.

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Speak for yourself.

Speak for YOURSELF. We do NOT have an obligation to use OUR money to support illegal immigrants. We have an obligation to support OUR people.

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The whole 'footing the bill' part that you alluded to is patently false, considering the USA's track record of not even doing that for its own people.

Its own corporations, yes, but that's an entirely different story.

The premise itself is false. There will be no additional bill-footing, because there isn't any to begin with anyway.
Tales of illegal immigrants receiving welfare benefits are wholly unsubstantiated, and considering the difficulty that naturalized citizens have acquiring these services, they are ludicrous. Yet these unverified claims are all it takes for someone who wants to blame immigrants for their own problems.

Anyone who makes nebulous complaints about 'illegal immigrants' is ignorant, racist, and extremely short-sighted.

So asking people to obey our immigration law is racist? You realize you are advocating for people to openly BREAK our laws right? It is not RACIST to expect people to obey the law. You obviously don't know what racism means so I'll spell it out for you.

Racism:
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Now I will spell out illegal immigration for you.

Illegal immigration refers to the migration of people across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destined country.

I hope you learned something today.

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Many people consider the USA to be one of those 'countries that aren't doing their jobs taking care of their own people.'

Food for thought.

Compare your statement about the US as opposed to 3rd world nationals illegally crossing the border. Food for thought. Poor people in the US in most cases have a car, mostly all of them have A/C, they get government welfare, WIC, Section 8 housing, Food stamps, and unemployment. So considering the circumstances i'd say we aren't doing that bad. Now however people are demanding that we take care of south america aswell and that shit isn't gonna happen.
Would you feel better if we took those millions of illegals and escorted them to Canada? Lets see what your stance is then. Trash thrown in your rivers and streets, crime rate up, suddenly the main language in the area is no longer english and nobody will hire you because they found someone willing to work for less.

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The whole 'footing the bill' part that you alluded to is patently false, considering the USA's track record of not even doing that for its own people.

Its own corporations, yes, but that's an entirely different story.

The premise itself is false. There will be no additional bill-footing, because there isn't any to begin with anyway.
Tales of illegal immigrants receiving welfare benefits are wholly unsubstantiated, and considering the difficulty that naturalized citizens have acquiring these services, they are ludicrous. Yet these unverified claims are all it takes for someone who wants to blame immigrants for their own problems.

Anyone who makes nebulous complaints about 'illegal immigrants' is ignorant, racist, and extremely short-sighted.

You do realize that it literally is american tax dollars being used to foot the bill for government programs for citizens and illegal immigrants right? Just a heads up.

[Phookah]

The fox kool aid is strong in this one, i suggest you look into voter laws and actual voter fraud percentage since you seem to be one of "those" people. But for giggles what is so corrupt about the president using the powers of the office granted to him by law?

Because it wasn't for what HE WANTED dammit!
That's been congress for the last 5-6 years.
Throwing fits like toddlers when they don't get their way.

[Theinquisition]

Many people consider the USA to be one of those 'countries that aren't doing their jobs taking care of their own people.'

Food for thought.

That's fine, maybe we should start re-directing our illegal immigrants to canda.