[7.3] Azortharion's Hunter Guides

[Tehterokkar]

It's good that you do fix them, encouraging people to use shady means to get top parses is not fun.

It's beyond me that this isn't fixed already on Blizzard's end.

[7seti]

Got a question for all you knowledgeable people:

I'm in a guild that is progressing through Heroics. We're not super-serious, but I still like to make sure I am properly pulling my weight. Problem is, I outright refuse to go petless. Hunter has been my main since BC, and I am not willing to ditch one of the core features of the class.

At the moment I am BM, but I've finally managed to get 4 pieces of T18. My question is, which is better: BM, or MM without Lone Wolf? And how much of a difference is there between them?

[Tekslol]

Got a question for all you knowledgeable people:

I'm in a guild that is progressing through Heroics. We're not super-serious, but I still like to make sure I am properly pulling my weight. Problem is, I outright refuse to go petless. Hunter has been my main since BC, and I am not willing to ditch one of the core features of the class.

At the moment I am BM, but I've finally managed to get 4 pieces of T18. My question is, which is better: BM, or MM without Lone Wolf? And how much of a difference is there between them?

Focusing Shot MM is still better than BM in progression, Lone Wolf is where your best choice is though. Honestly for heroic, it doesn't matter much.

[Nemesiz]

...I still like to make sure I am properly pulling my weight & I outright refuse to go petless.

That sounds very silly imo. Tbh if it's "only heroics" you should play what you feel like playing. Hunter with Focusing Shot is sort of annoying if you're not used to it, however you can just say fuck it and run Exotic Munitions I guess. It's not like you're gonna get called out for bad dps, unless you're screwing BM/MM up godly.

[7seti]

That sounds very silly imo

It's a contradiction, I know. But I rolled hunter for ranged damage with a pet. Take either of those away, and it's not a hunter anymore. For me, anyway.
Plus Lone Wolf just should not be the highest damage talent. Making a talent that simplifies the class better than one which adds to the class is just awful game design.

I'll probably end up leaving the game until Legion. I don't want to leave my guild in the lurch, but this mess is really killing the fun.

[Raicky]

Looks like the preproc got hotfixed either way. Tried it this morning and Fruit Basket throws a "Cant use it in raid instance" error

[Deleted]

Mirror is shit for BM. It only summons 2 clones.

Plus Censer/Coil/Class Trinket are far more consistent with damage output.

All the top ranks for hunters on Xhul are using mirror

[Dossou]

I don't really understand how people can think Coil is better than Mirror as BM, especially on a fight where you mirror will be hitting more than 1 target 100% of the time.

[deatzh]

I don't really understand how people can think Coil is better than Mirror as BM, especially on a fight where you mirror will be hitting more than 1 target 100% of the time.

They arn't even close on AoE

http://imgur.com/xbHT7cO

[saistain]

I read somewhere that you shouldn't stack FF and blood lust with 4set as MM. Any truth to this? I thought both reduce GCD

[Thaliah]

I read somewhere that you shouldn't stack FF and blood lust with 4set as MM. Any truth to this? I thought both reduce GCD

You mean RF? No, no truth to that, esp because you'll most likely be using lust with the ring, and you always want to use RF with the ring.

[saistain]

You mean RF? No, no truth to that, esp because you'll most likely be using lust with the ring, and you always want to use RF with the ring.

Then why in azor guide does he recommend using up all your focus on aimed shots then popping RF and start casting SS in the opener? Spamming AS during RF pretty good no?

[Gaarashatan]

Then why in azor guide does he recommend using up all your focus on aimed shots then popping RF and start casting SS in the opener? Spamming AS during RF pretty good no?

this is indeed how rf should be handled, youll gain alot more from using it after your focus has been depleted. no reason to use before that except to increase your auto speed xD

[saistain]

this is indeed how rf should be handled, youll gain alot more from using it after your focus has been depleted. no reason to use before that except to increase your auto speed xD

So it doesn't decrease AS gcd?

[Deleted]

this is indeed how rf should be handled, youll gain alot more from using it after your focus has been depleted. no reason to use before that except to increase your auto speed xD

see the problem with this is that, if the ring is popped at the start of the fight, likelihood is that you'll miss the RF on the rings later in the fight.
Remember both a 2 min cd and 15 second buff, they line up perfectly.
Using RF with the ring produces a much higher overall dps gain over delaying it for focus depletion.
And when you'll likely only be delaying it by maybe 3-5 seconds, it becomes a bit of a muchness.

[Gaarashatan]

see the problem with this is that, if the ring is popped at the start of the fight, likelihood is that you'll miss the RF on the rings later in the fight.
Remember both a 2 min cd and 15 second buff, they line up perfectly.
Using RF with the ring produces a much higher overall dps gain over delaying it for focus depletion.
And when you'll likely only be delaying it by maybe 3-5 seconds, it becomes a bit of a muchness.

doesnt become a problem if you know when your guild is ringing. from my basic knowledge of ring pops, the only fight where you rly pop ring on cd (or given the interval of rf and ring) would be perhaps kilrogg, pull and first group etc. and perhaps the 2nd on council. korm is hard, alot of different ways. we save for hands though. racking my knowledge of past pulls i dont think ive had a issue with rf not being up when ring is being popped

[Deleted]

doesnt become a problem if you know when your guild is ringing. from my basic knowledge of ring pops, the only fight where you rly pop ring on cd (or given the interval of rf and ring) would be perhaps kilrogg, pull and first group etc.

We can't kill Killrog during 1st groups damage buff. So we delay ring untill 2nd group is in the vision, then both groups get their own ring. 1st groups buff is still up whole duration of the ring this way.

They arn't even close on AoE

http://imgur.com/xbHT7cO

Is that heroic or mythic class trinket?

[Nemesiz]

Then why in azor guide does he recommend using up all your focus on aimed shots then popping RF and start casting SS in the opener? Spamming AS during RF pretty good no?

Cause it's at the start of the fight, the boss is above 80% so Careful Aim is active. Azor recommends(ed?) popping RF after you have no more focus for AiS' left, granting you faster cast speed for Steady Shot's.

But since Ring came into play, it's usually just RF on pull in order to line it up with every ring throughout the fight, assuming ring is used on CD.

[deatzh]

Is that heroic or mythic class trinket?

Thats a normal class trinket (warriors and monks gotta get their reroll on)

[Deleted]

Toy Box
Fruit Basket is no longer usable inside raid instances.

Good.. not a day to soon