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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Shuken View Post
    Blizzard finally make petless hunter an option then removes viability from the two specs who can pick the talent. TROLOLOLOLOL !
    Pretty much this. The whole 100 talent set is fucked. They can't fucking balance things that are so different.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    Personally find Marks to be terrible from a design view due to it being stripped to 3 buttons and none of the talents adding any complexityor fun like they did for Arms who was similarly stripped but given neat talent options to "build your own gameplay."

    Marks on the beta comes down to pretty brainless 1-1-2 spamming with Chimaera not used during CA/RF and the talents you have the option of picking up have zero gameplay interaction beyond being a bland fire and forget cooldown or a passive. I don't see anything fun about playing what comes down to being a Wotlk Arcane Mage.
    MM kinda seems like they stripped it down to 3 buttons and whether you are good or not depends on how well you manage Sniper Training

  3. #123
    So how well you can place your Disengages.
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    But... We finally have a throughput glyph!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sololux View Post
    From the looks of things, mechanics changes are final. We are starting number tunes now. Every hunter forum on every website has mass topics on how bad survival and marksman are with not a single tweak in the right direction by blizz. I'm guessing after the complete first tier of wod raids they "might" own up to their mistakes. Then they will say "we didn't have enough people testing it in beta" Lmao. So what's your opinion. Do you think survival and marksman rotations will be fixed before live?
    as long as it's still in beta there's nothing useful you can say on how the end result will be.

  7. #127
    surv hunter is the new fury... pool dump pool dump just without CS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Effinhunter View Post
    If we have BM at a competitive level with warlocks, rogues, and mages, I'll be extremely happy. For the entirety of last expansion during progression, we were in a rough spot on each spec. We'll want at least one spec to be competitive. For God's sake, just don't make us middle-of-the-pack again on all specs. Very frustrating.
    Wow, I wish Ret could say they spent an entire expansion as "middle of the pack" and apart of 60% of all tier 1 pvp comps.

  9. #129
    If they will be "fixed" it will probably be in later patches. Wouldn't be the first time that one spec outshines the two others.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by solvexx View Post
    Wow, I wish Ret could say they spent an entire expansion as "middle of the pack" and apart of 60% of all tier 1 pvp comps.
    You can respec, hunters have to reroll or suck it up.

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    Its funny you bring up ret because I made these same arguments against inquisition in mop beta. It still went live and ret was viewed as crap all expansion long. Now its removed and ret is perfect again.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhryke View Post
    Even if SV and MM are broken or completely not fun to play, if they tune them high enough, we'll play whatever provides the best results. Regardless of how they "feel".
    That is part of the problem.
    Players should play the spec they feel best playing, but when dps differences are so massive they feel forced to pick the good/best spec.

    Wouldn't be a problem if blizzard managed to balance all specs within a few % of each other, but when a spec is 20% better than others it just won't work.
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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Elwynsheep View Post
    You can respec, hunters have to reroll or suck it up.
    Suck what up? A boring rotation? It seems to be all the rage on the forums now, but once the game goes live, if people are kicking ass on the DPS charts or facerolling to high ratings, I can guarantee you noone will care if it comes with a boring rotation or not, as long as it 'pwns'.

    It's fun to simultaneously read threads where people are furiously complaining how overpowered Hunters are, and threads where people are furiously saying the class sucks so much that people have to re-roll. Usually in WoW that shows the class is in a good place as the truth is somewhere in between.

    If DPS differences end up reasonably balanced before the game goes live, Hunters are just as strong, or stronger, than most (or all) of the other DPS classes, both in PvE and in PvP. The changes in the PvP game especially only benefit Hunters. If you were kicking ass in MoP, you'll kick even more ass in WoD, since a lot of the competitors got nerfed to the ground. Similarly, the WoD raids emphasise movement over all other mechanics, and the only ranged class that kept most (or all, depending on spec) of its mobility is the Hunter.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Effinhunter View Post
    If we have BM at a competitive level with warlocks, rogues, and mages, I'll be extremely happy. For the entirety of last expansion during progression, we were in a rough spot on each spec. We'll want at least one spec to be competitive. For God's sake, just don't make us middle-of-the-pack again on all specs. Very frustrating.
    I lold at this BM is a very good single target spec and SV isnt THAT far behind it. both are very simple to play and are by no means bad. above mid of the pack for both specs. Warlocks esp destro was/is to high blizz acknowledged this BUT they said " we don't want to go back and have to retune the content because of guild rosters" they are fkin lazy is what it more or less amounted to.
    pretty sure dks/priest/shammy/assas rogues would like to have bms raw single target output but then again lot classes can cheese meters with cleaves and some deff do it better than some
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