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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by cabyio View Post
    My deal is all the people that constantly clamour about raids being too hard, people being too exclusionary, community being too toxic, that it stops them from doing the content they want. If those people would spend that time trying to improve themselves or finding a guild to work with instead of whining and doing LFR they would be able to do all the content they want just like people that are already raiding.

    The attitude that is so prevalent lately that instead of trying to overcome boundaries and achieve goals people spend effort complaining that the system is too hard or that the system is against them. Not just in wow, in everything.
    1: I don't care if raids are hard.
    2: The community absolutely is toxic. You literally scoffed at the idea of being nice for niceness' sake, for example! (On top of twisting my words to find a way to turn it into some sort of insult on my quality of play.)
    3: I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for someone to just be perturbed by pugging restrictions. Not every complaint is whining!
    4: Again, it's kind of annoying you're lumping me in here, I don't pug things, and I won't be pugging things. Nor am I whining about it, nor rallying against Blizzard about it. It is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otiswhitaker View Post
    What? You freaking call LFR Looking for retards.
    uhhh.........that's what LFR stands for. Its below easy mode. Simply ever wiping in that thing just makes me loose faith in humanity.
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  3. #503
    Item level shows max potential of a character's output. A very skilled 540 mage isn't going to come close to the numbers a 570 mage (average player) can do. Asking for higher numbers increases the chances of your success by a lot by negating the unknown skill level of a lesser geared player claiming to be "fine" for the said run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archermit View Post
    How does a higher item level give you the fast clear?
    If people still focus him down and ignore MC's at teh end you could have all 600 item levels and wipe
    dude, Ive been in groups where we one tanked and one healed. Hes dead like seconds after Garrosh finishes transfrmoing for the last phase.
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    Hasn't it always been like this?? I remember seeing it with Gearscore back in Wrath....

  6. #506
    Quote Originally Posted by Trapped View Post
    Item level shows max potential of a character's output. A very skilled 540 mage isn't going to come close to the numbers a 570 mage (average player) can do.
    So True and yet everyone and their brother on this forum seems to think this is a false statement.

    every so often i get a whisper ingame "i am 20 ilvls below whatever you asked but I am skilled blabla" so what you may be skilled but you are not going to outskill this huge gap that 20 ilvl make in this expac - and I will still take the 580 random over your o so skilled 560 alt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Instrument View Post
    So True and yet everyone and their brother on this forum seems to think this is a false statement.

    every so often i get a whisper ingame "i am 20 ilvls below whatever you asked but I am skilled blabla" so what you may be skilled but you are not going to outskill this huge gap that 20 ilvl make in this expac - and I will still take the 580 random over your o so skilled 560 alt
    Aye, the dps difference coming from gear this xpax is huge. Few of my friends came back to WoW recently and they've got some LFR and flex gear so far. They are around 540 ilvl w/o cloak and the dps gap between them and me (587 ilvl) is lightyears. I mean I do freaking 1mil dps during the opener with good procs. They in fact are much closer with dps to a 585 disc priest.

    Gear means a lot in SoO. I don't know how it is for all specs, but for me getting above certain gear level incredibly simplifies my rotation as I get a lot more instants to spam. So while gear != skill, with better gear you need less skill in order to perform better.

  8. #508
    Quote Originally Posted by Smuttly View Post
    Agreed. We already did progression on Garrosh, we don't want to do it again. We literally have no reason to help a stranger in this game. Why should they have to skip learning a boss because some of us already did it?

    This isn't SAO kids.
    Because as a community that is what you do. All you defending the ilvl rule are the ones that is the problem. Its a gaming community, you want fast runs you do that with your guild. Our guild does flex and we take people that are 540 ilvl and we clear, because we explain the fights with people that are with us, we enjoy doing it, thats what being in a community is all about, not for the "fast run and omg epics!"

    selfish twits. learn to slow down and enjoy the game a little, your not carrying them, they are filling a needed spot and if your so epic having a few 540s with you shouldn't matter!
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    Eh come on now guys. 570 ilvl is by far not exactly hard to get this days. What i mean is that my monk alt, paladin alt, hunter alt have 570 ilvl and they are full normal gear with 2-3 peices of warforged gear. With 4/4 upgrades, legendary cloak and few warforged items it is not hard to have 570 ilvl at all. It is almost an year since SoO launched so 70% of the people who want to farm garosh for looms have atleast that item level. The rest want to be boosted and such people tend to fail because they are new to the class, have low gear, not meeting the required dps for the fight, having low HP to cover the healers (or their personal fail) on whirlwinds and doing stupid things that cause them to die, thus making the fight harder and in 60-70% of the cases - wipe.
    I know this because i am the same. My main mage have hc clear, have a dk with 12/14hc, but still the first tries on garosh with my monk, paladin and hunter were pure fail due the reason i described above.
    Actualy after 1 year i would prefer to do garosh with group of 565+ ilvl, than with people who still wear timeless gear. Because after all Garosh encoutner is still no joke even on normal. Especialy for PuGs
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  10. #510
    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post
    selfish twits. learn to slow down and enjoy the game a little
    Did it ever occur to you that some people enjoy different things than you do ? I for one do not enjoy wiping, failing or explaining a boss that is on farm for what seems forever now.

    Also doing Flex runs and taking in people with ilvl 540 and doing normal Garrosh are 2 very different things, because flex is tuned for sub 540 People - the endboss of this expac which ends at ilvl 590 (569 if you are fully normal geared with 4/4 upgrades and without the Leg. Cloak) is not
    Last edited by Instrument; 2014-09-03 at 01:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Instrument View Post
    So True and yet everyone and their brother on this forum seems to think this is a false statement.

    every so often i get a whisper ingame "i am 20 ilvls below whatever you asked but I am skilled blabla" so what you may be skilled but you are not going to outskill this huge gap that 20 ilvl make in this expac - and I will still take the 580 random over your o so skilled 560 alt
    Funny thing is, my 565 toon can outdps a 580. You're just an elitist prick, plain and simple lol

  12. #512
    Quote Originally Posted by Instrument View Post
    I for one do knot enjoy wiping, failing or explaining a boss that is on farm for what seems forever now.
    Then don't pug.
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  13. #513
    Quote Originally Posted by NatePsychotic View Post
    Funny thing is, my 565 toon can outdps a 580. You're just an elitist prick, plain and simple lol
    It can't, if it could you would be backing that statement up with logs instead of talking

    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    Then don't pug.
    The thread is about lifting expectations for a certain boss fight, which im perfectly fine with for the above stated reasons l2r

  14. #514
    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post

    selfish twits. learn to slow down and enjoy the game a little, your not carrying them,
    i am enjoying my game a lot when i invite only 575 + people to my garosh runs - they enjoy it too - only ones not enjoying it are the ones that were refuse to carry therefore u are right we are not carrying them

    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post

    they are filling a needed spot
    they are not if i set 575+ req spot is filled withing seconds - therefore no they are not filling anything

    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post
    and if your so epic having a few 540s with you shouldn't matter!
    but it does matter - if it didnt matter nobody woudl set any req - since it does matter and it matters a lot the req are to weed out scrubs. and if in process it blocks few decent people - well its their lack of luck that i get spammed with 580+ begging me to let them in since i play on high pop server

  15. #515
    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post
    Because as a community that is what you do. All you defending the ilvl rule are the ones that is the problem. Its a gaming community, you want fast runs you do that with your guild. Our guild does flex and we take people that are 540 ilvl and we clear, because we explain the fights with people that are with us, we enjoy doing it, thats what being in a community is all about, not for the "fast run and omg epics!"

    selfish twits. learn to slow down and enjoy the game a little, your not carrying them, they are filling a needed spot and if your so epic having a few 540s with you shouldn't matter!
    You're calling us selfish? Despite what you've written?

    "Why don't you enjoy the game at MY pace instead of yours. Why arent you taking ME with you?"

    Hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melodramocracy View Post
    Then don't pug.
    why not? All you have to do is form it with 570+ people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moremana View Post

    selfish twits. learn to slow down and enjoy the game a little, your not carrying them, they are filling a needed spot and if your so epic having a few 540s with you shouldn't matter!
    its not our job to carry baddies. Ask your guild for that.
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  17. #517
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    uhhh.........that's what LFR stands for. Its below easy mode. Simply ever wiping in that thing just makes me loose faith in humanity.
    Do you realize how dickish this makes you sound :x

  18. #518
    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Matter View Post
    That has nothing to do with what you quoted. My question was basically would you prefer to take a person who had only completed a single HC run and had an ilvl of 570 (probably from a bought boost) or someone with a lower ilvl but who had quite a few normal garrosh kills?
    I would still take the inexperienced 570 player over the experienced 550 player. Doing DPS in this game is so trivially easy that a 1 armed blind baby could do well. So I expect the 570 will still do more dps than the 550, regardless of experience.

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    I feel like I should remind everyone to continue to contribute to the high-quality discussion in this thread.

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