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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm137 View Post
    Well I don't think the mount for the 250 mount achievement(lol at the people in this thread that think cross faction will count towards your total) should "require" a shit load of rng mounts, but guess what? it does and it's not keeping me from going after something I want. If you believe going after a few "out of the way" rng mounts to get something you've wanted for so long is too much, then I guess you didn't want it much huh?

    The only mount on that list that requires any amount of skill to get is Deathwing's mount which will be a joke to solo at 100. How many times exactly did you try mount runs this week to get the other 2 mounts that are actually easily obtainable? Because all the complaining in the world at this point isn't going to get those done any faster if you aren't actually going out there and trying. Outside of maybe Blazing, this is what the achievement is going to be once it hits live, better to start now on the easy ones than wait till you have even more content to play through which takes away time to go and do runs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm137 View Post
    What is the Drake Collector achievement then? Obviously it has some amount of difficulty to it if you cba to go out and farm for 2 easy and 1 soon to be easy mounts. Don't keep saying "well I don't want those mounts tied to the achievement, but I want the end result mount", that's just an excuse for being too lazy. If you want the emerald drake then go start farming the mounts for it, no amount of complaining here is going to get anything changed for it.
    There are a lot of mounts in the game I would like to have, but I don't want to do whatever I have to do to get them. That's fine. I never argued they need to change anything to cater to me. I still kinda want a frostwyrm mount but I could never be arsed to go back and do the two remaining achievements I needed. That's ok, I don't want them to just give it to me, neither do I want them to just give me the emerald drake. But I think having to get several 1-3% mounts - that I (and probably other people) don't care about, that I would not invest any time into getting - just to get the one mount that I do want, is a bit extreme.

    Imagine you wanted the Baron mount, but instead of it being its own drop, you'd have to get Ashes of Alar, Anzu and Invincible. But you didn't care at all for any of these three mounts. It seems unnecessary to me to make someone get these three mounts, that that person doesn't even want, just so that he can get the one mount that he does want. I'm sure that a hardcore collector would maybe go after these mounts anyway, but some of us maybe only want the emerald drake. That doesn't mean that the emerald drake should be sold by a vendor for 10g. But it could just be its own drop, and I don't see how that is an unreasonable proposition and why I'm getting so much flak for that.

    The whole idea behind this achievement was to get other drakes in order to get the "last one". Yet most of the drakes don't make much sense, as they are not part of the original five colors. They could've made an achievement where you would have to get the black, bronze, red and blue one. That already requires some work and even involves a low drop mount.
    Last edited by Nindoriel; 2014-09-02 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeula View Post
    Just need blazing and azure drake... Drat!
    Blazing should be changed to something else, something from a boss in an earlier part of an instance, so it's easier to farm.

    221 mounts here (Soon to shoot up to around 300 come warlords thanks to cross faction mounts/CE raven/challenge mode mounts/that one store mount I'm waiting for a discount on before buying).
    Its a bug, an obvious bug. They would not add a 250 mount achievement, 50 more mounts than the last achievement, & add around 40 new mounts in WoD and than just enable accountwide mounts.

    Its an very very obvious bug. Source: I have 337 mounts @ beta
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nindoriel View Post
    There are a lot of mounts in the game I would like to have, but I don't want to do whatever I have to do to get them. That's fine. I never argued they need to change anything to cater to me. I still kinda want a frostwyrm mount but I could never be arsed to go back and do the two remaining achievements I needed. That's ok, I don't want them to just give it to me, neither do I want them to just give me the emerald drake. But I think having to get several 1-3% mounts - that I (and probably other people) don't care about, that I would not invest any time into getting - just to get the one mount that I do want, is a bit extreme.

    Imagine you wanted the Baron mount, but instead of it being its own drop, you'd have to get Ashes of Alar, Anzu and Invincible. But you didn't care at all for any of these three mounts. It seems unnecessary to me to make someone get these three mounts, that that person doesn't even want, just so that he can get the one mount that he does want. I'm sure that a hardcore collector would maybe go after these mounts anyway, but some of us maybe only want the emerald drake. That doesn't mean that the emerald drake should be sold by a vendor for 10g. But it could just be its own drop, and I don't see how that is an unreasonable proposition and why I'm getting so much flak for that.

    The whole idea behind this achievement was to get other drakes in order to get the "last one". Yet most of the drakes don't make much sense, as they are not part of the original five colors. They could've made an achievement where you would have to get the black, bronze, red and blue one. That already requires some work and even involves a low drop mount.
    You keep saying you don't want the game to just give you a mount but then your contradict yourself by saying you don't want to do all the steps in between getting said mount. You can't have it both ways; either suck it up and do what's necessary or add the Green Drake to the "can't be arsed to get" mount list you have.

    As for the "whole idea behind this achievement", Blizzard couldn't think of a way to put the Green Drake into the game in a way that could fit WoD's theme so they made it a collection achievement. It was either this or we never see the Green Drake get added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    As for the "whole idea behind this achievement", Blizzard couldn't think of a way to put the Green Drake into the game in a way that could fit WoD's theme so they made it a collection achievement. It was either this or we never see the Green Drake get added.
    He even said they could have only used the bronze, black, blue and red drake for the achievement, which would have even made more sense lorewise.

    And I don't believe that they couldn't find a boss to drop this thing off, especially with the Everbloom dungeon. And they never said that they couldn't. They had a whole poll about this, giving this as an option. Then Anne Stickney said on the WoW Insider podcast. "You know what would be cool? If you got it through an achievement, where you have to get all the other drakes, then when you have them all, you automatically get the emerald drake".

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    Thread title needs to be changed, achieve is now "Awake The Drakes".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Snake View Post
    He even said they could have only used the bronze, black, blue and red drake for the achievement, which would have even made more sense lorewise.
    Earlier in this same thread I said I'd have been fine if it was just restricted to the original Dragonflights.

    And I don't believe that they couldn't find a boss to drop this thing off, especially with the Everbloom dungeon. And they never said that they couldn't. They had a whole poll about this, giving this as an option. Then Anne Stickney said on the WoW Insider podcast. "You know what would be cool? If you got it through an achievement, where you have to get all the other drakes, then when you have them all, you automatically get the emerald drake".
    Here's a good reason: there are no Dragons on Draenor due to the Dragonflights being native to Azeroth. Aside from Kalec, Kairoz and Wrathion I haven't heard of any Dragons making their way over from Azeroth to particpate/witness the events unfold in AU Draenor.

    As for the poll thing that just goes to show that Blizzard had no good idea as to how to introduce the Green Drake into the game so they just went with what seemed popular with the fanbase. My favorite idea was to make it a reward from getting Exalted with all Druid-related factions similar to the Cenarion Hippogryph.

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    I hope they don't buff the droprates for the mounts needed for this meta. It should be something you chase after, not something handed to you. Plus the fact many have farmed for these mounts for years, and to have them all drop for 1 person in a week, would be a giant kick in the balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Earlier in this same thread I said I'd have been fine if it was just restricted to the original Dragonflights.



    Here's a good reason: there are no Dragons on Draenor due to the Dragonflights being native to Azeroth. Aside from Kalec, Kairoz and Wrathion I haven't heard of any Dragons making their way over from Azeroth to particpate/witness the events unfold in AU Draenor.

    As for the poll thing that just goes to show that Blizzard had no good idea as to how to introduce the Green Drake into the game so they just went with what seemed popular with the fanbase. My favorite idea was to make it a reward from getting Exalted with all Druid-related factions similar to the Cenarion Hippogryph.
    I don't know, for some reason, there are fey dragons on Draenor. It doesn't have to make sense lorewise. It's not like it makes sense for an infinite drakonid to have a bronze dragon in his pocket. It's not like the bosses we fight keep weapons and helmets in their desks, in case some adventurer comes along. There was a boss in Vault of Archavon that dropped a mammoth. The BRD brewfest boss was a dwarf, but he also had a brewfest kodo. I think I would be fine with an emerald dragon dropping from something that is somewhat related to nature. I don't think too many players will be scratching their heads why they get an emerald dragon on Draenor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liquid Snake View Post
    I don't know, for some reason, there are fey dragons on Draenor. It doesn't have to make sense lorewise. It's not like it makes sense for an infinite drakonid to have a bronze dragon in his pocket. It's not like the bosses we fight keep weapons and helmets in their desks, in case some adventurer comes along. There was a boss in Vault of Archavon that dropped a mammoth. The BRD brewfest boss was a dwarf, but he also had a brewfest kodo. I think I would be fine with an emerald dragon dropping from something that is somewhat related to nature. I don't think too many players will be scratching their heads why they get an emerald dragon on Draenor.
    Aside from the gear thing every example you gave makes sense without needing too much handwaving to satisfy gameplay over lore:

    1. The Bronze Drake we use as a mount is probably the Bronze Drake we saved.
    2. Mammoths are native to Northrend so it's not all that unusual to expect a Northrend boss to have a pet Mammoth.
    3. Dark Irons have mole machines so they probably stole some Kodos from the Tauren during a raid against them.

    As far as I'm aware Blizzard does not consider Fey Dragons as actual dragons but Fey that happen to look like a dragon. Either way, the only way for representatives of the Dragonflights to show up is to come with us through the portal from Azeroth. The Green Dragonflight has zero interest in Alternate Draenor so why would an Alternate Draenor boss drop a mount that should only be found on Azeroth? Now if it dropped off the last boss I could see a reason as to why since last boss fight takes place on Azeroth which could have lent itself to a spore-infest Green Drake being part of the fight but that's now how it panned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Aside from the gear thing every example you gave makes sense without needing too much handwaving to satisfy gameplay over lore:

    1. The Bronze Drake we use as a mount is probably the Bronze Drake we saved.
    2. Mammoths are native to Northrend so it's not all that unusual to expect a Northrend boss to have a pet Mammoth.
    3. Dark Irons have mole machines so they probably stole some Kodos from the Tauren during a raid against them.

    As far as I'm aware Blizzard does not consider Fey Dragons as actual dragons but Fey that happen to look like a dragon. Either way, the only way for representatives of the Dragonflights to show up is to come with us through the portal from Azeroth. The Green Dragonflight has zero interest in Alternate Draenor so why would an Alternate Draenor boss drop a mount that should only be found on Azeroth? Now if it dropped off the last boss I could see a reason as to why since last boss fight takes place on Azeroth which could have lent itself to a spore-infest Green Drake being part of the fight but that's now how it panned out.
    The Bronze drake makes sense that way, in retrospect. But the other things are just random. You really have to make up stuff to have it make sense. "Maybe he stole a Kodo". Yeah maybe Garrosh brought a green drake with him.

    I didn't say Fey Dragons are dragons, I meant they are native to Azeroth, so why are they on Draenor all of a sudden?
    (edit: I just looked up some stuff, and saw that there are fey dragons in Blade's Edge in Outland, so maybe I'm wrong, but maybe that's because the Night Elves settled there, and they brought them with them, and the fey dragons have a connection to the Emerald Dream, didn't find anything conclusive)

    You're still looking for a lore explanation, but my point was that lore really doesn't matter in what boss drops what. Malchezaar drops Gorehowl. I know that ideally a boss should drop a mount that makes sense, almost all mount drops are like that, but the green drake is only being added because it is missing from the game, so let's not take it too seriously where it could drop from.

    If it has to come from Azeroth, then there is a revamped UBRS where it could drop from and it even has a proto dragon in it!
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