Gamergate - OP updated 27 October

[Wilian]

Mod edit 27 Oct:
The time has come again to address some major concerns about posting in this thread. Reading the OP below, then reading the most recent posts, will show that this controversy has evolved greatly over time, so much so, that, as of this edit, the thread has surpassed 800 pages of posts. That being said, some more specific guidelines need to be laid out.

• This thread is largely pro-Gamergate. That means most of the users posting in this thread support the things that the thousands of people participating in the movement/revolt/whatever are about. The majority of Gamergate supporters are in favor of diversity in gaming (playing, developing, and covering), and denounce bullying and sexism; whether or not you believe that is your prerogative, but be mindful that the point of a forum is discussion, not flinging insults or generalizations. As to the pro-Gamergate crowd, dissenting opinions are important to discussion, otherwise it turns into an echo chamber. People of every alignment (pro-, anti-, unaffiliated, uninitiated, just in it for lolz, whatever) need to be mindful of the forum guidelines and post constructively and respectfully.
• Just because you don't think it's not about ethics in journalism doesn't mean that it isn't about ethics in journalism. Gamergate means many different things to many different people, regardless of their stance on the issue. It's a complex, controversial topic; generalizing it or the people discussing it is not constructive and may be considered trolling by moderators. This also applies to those who decry allegations of sexism or misogyny being the start of this topic; the OP and ensuing conversation below clearly illustrates that Zoë Quinn's personal sex life was a catalyst in starting this thread and the movement/revolt as a whole. Many people got many different things from thezoepost blog, so again, do not use that as a point to generalize what Gamergate is about. It's not completely about sexism/misogyny. It's not completely about ethics. It's complex; treat it as such.
• Many questions via PM and Twitter have come to me asking why this thread is still open or why the OP hasn't been edited out to show what Gamergate is "really" about, and my answer is simple: the opposite happened on reddit, with over 25,000 comments being deleted in a certain subreddit. Those moderators decided to censor and shape the discussion; we're not going to do that here as long as it's within our ability to keep this thread open, but the thread has to remain honest to accurately portray this discussion from beginning to end. We don't expect anybody new to read all 800+ pages, but we do ask anybody jumping in to at least be familiar with these moderator edits before diving in and causing a ruckus.
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Mod edit 12 Sept:
This thread is obviously large and evolving over time. There are new developments everyday, and the situation has evolved well beyond what #GamerGate began as. It's for this reason a plea and warning is being issued to people new to the thread, and those who aren't up-to-date on the happenings in #GamerGate and in this thread:

• Don't drop in just to express your disbelief over people making a big deal about it; what's important to the people participating in this thread may not be important to you, and that works vice-versa.
• No tl;dr posts: #GamerGate is a complicated, evolving topic; there is no tl;dr.
• Blatant insults towards any figures involved are unnecessary.
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• Do not post information obtained by illegal means (whether by you or someone else), and do not post personal information about parties that do not wish it to be shared (i.e. Zoë Quinn's real name, Anita Sarkeesian's phone number, etc.).
• This thread leans heavily towards pro-#GamerGate; that's no excuse to gang up on anyone who feels differently.
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Mod edit: Good recaps of the whole situation:




To weed out offensive obsencities as mentioned by the mod, lets try again.

Curiously enough no one in MMO Champion has yet touched upon this "Zoegate" situation. Basically it's about this chick exposed by her BF who quite literally fucked her way to reviews and different positions in gaming community. This quite lengthy video explains the backrounds fairly well:


Edit: Another video with updated information


Now what is quite interesting is the response to the whole case.

What has happened that through various connections she has built (and saying that some of them for sexual favours at this point is not out of the books at all, in fact more than likely) the whole situation has been suppressed all through the internet with many notorious gaming sites outright banning people if they bring the subject up, and deleting threads at inhumane speeds. It has not stopped there.

Reddit gaming main mod (to whom there's confirmed connection with Zoe) has also removed any traces of this discussion for days.

http://i.imgur.com/1Nr3yVS.png

4chan isn't safe haven either (lol at the notion) and have been targets of many false accusations regarding "raiding" Zoe in cases that has proven to be herself "hacking" her own accounts to create bad publicity and victimhood before by miracle only obtaining rights back to those accounts within timespace of only 15 minutes sometimes, and not deleting the "attacks" against her.

Hell, it goes to a point that after GameNosh site posted article about it, their hosting service pulled the site down up until it was deleted (now it's restored again, afaik they switched the host). Same happened with N4G where the host pulled the plug until they removed the article

http://i.imgur.com/RYl2uro.png

Certain portions of the [censored] indie [censored] crowd [censored] now attack anyone who even dares to mention the situation, denoting the case as "attack against females in gaming industry". Most notorious persons of this practice with no surprise comes from yours truly RSP and Kotaku with honorable mention going to NeoGAF, Escapist, Tumblr, .

Whenever reasonable statements are done (such at one by Totalbiscuit), gets shut down by these white knights defending this "poor girl who never did anything wrong", ironically biting the hand that often gave them the publicity needed to even get into the business proper.

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comme...ames/?sort=top






Welcome to the new era of equal gaming.

[Deleted]

could a mod, instead of locking it just edit the bits they dont like?

this topic has been silenced everywhere, don't do that here!

[Zandalarian Paladin]

This is one hell of an interesting debate. While I believe indies are important for the gaming community now, should this give them the right to act like Phil Fish, Zoe Quinn and others like Adam? I might say my opinion later on the subject, but I want to see everybody's thoughts first.

[Marthenil]

She's not even good looking I'm still getting more info on the matter so I can't comment on it, but generally, seems like I'm going to be disgusted.

[Deleted]

the way i see it, sleeping with gaming journalists to push your game isn't that different from paying them to give them good reviews, that wasn't really what this whole thing is about, its a shitty move, but its not like that has never happened before, and bigger companies have certainly paid off journalists to give their shit games good reviews, its shit but it happens. the whole thing started when people called her out on it. and its just been a little bit entertaining.

[Hyve]

It's odd. People attack those trying to expose the situation, rather then the sad fact someone fucked their way to the top. Then there are those who're blaming Male Gamers, saying we've forced this style of environment in the industry.

The whole thing is a huge cluster fuck, and it's stupid.

[Deleted]

She's not even good looking I'm still getting more info on the matter so I can't comment on it, but generally, seems like I'm going to be disgusted.

a problem is a lot of the info originally came from her ex-bf, everything points to it being true, but still its a questionable source.

[xskarma]

I edited the obnoxious ***** spam in the title, but feel free to discuss the matter in this remade version of the thread. Just keep it civil from here on out.

[Deleted]

I edited the obnoxious ***** spam in the title, but feel free to discuss the matter in this remade version of the thread. Just keep it civil from here on out.

thanks xskarma! this topic is being deleted everywhere else and impossible to discuss, i just hope she hasn't slept with boub as well

[Tyrgannus]

we've forced this style of environment in the industry.

I hear this every now and then, and it is odd. I'm a male gamer and I never expressed my opinion publicly until joining these forums less than 2 years ago. I have been buying and playing games since I was a little kid. How exactly am I shaping the style of environment? I'm not? Then why do I feel judged for doing nothing?

[Marthenil]

the way i see it, sleeping with gaming journalists to push your game isn't that different from paying them to give them good reviews, that wasn't really what this whole thing is about, its a shitty move, but its not like that has never happened before, and bigger companies have certainly paid off journalists to give their shit games good reviews, its shit but it happens. the whole thing started when people called her out on it. and its just been a little bit entertaining.

Yeah, it seems like this is a good old media power vs consumer thing. Whatever the case, the publicity this particular "scandal" is drawing might help people realize how effed up journalism and the media in general are. I'm doing a huge generalization here, but I've yet to be disproved. Everything seems to have an agenda.

[Yarathir]

the way i see it, sleeping with gaming journalists to push your game isn't that different from paying them to give them good reviews, that wasn't really what this whole thing is about, its a shitty move, but its not like that has never happened before, and bigger companies have certainly paid off journalists to give their shit games good reviews, its shit but it happens. the whole thing started when people called her out on it. and its just been a little bit entertaining.

Well, the fact that she played the victim card and got an entire imageboard forum slandered and harassed for it, even though they weren't even to blame, and the fact that they are filled with depressed and socially anxious people that would throw up from the tension if they had to even say a word to Quinn, while she claimed several things, and then changed her story around several times is also there, which is despicable. Especially given that the game she's trying to push is about depression, and then you get a bunch of depressed people harassed.



Or the fact that she not only slept with those men to push and promote her game, but also to censor and suppress any information that might paint her negatively.


Etc, etc.



But anyway, I wish this topic hadn't hit these forums. I've seen enough of it in the last few days, and it goes to shit anywhere it is brought up, so yeah.

[Joey Ray III]

i really can't get myself to give a crap about this thing but the tabloid aspect of it is just fascinating.

[Tyrgannus]

But anyway, I wish this topic hadn't hit these forums. I've seen enough of it in the last few days, and it goes to shit anywhere it is brought up, so yeah.

First time I've heard anything. Apparently it gets pulled or closed a lot everywhere. I'm being careful to post in this thread conservatively myself

[Deleted]

i feel a little sorry for TB on this one, his tweet was pretty neutral, basically saying "if she did do it, then thats bad" and just because he is more of a public figure than most discussing this, he got most of the flack for it

[Ghostile]

What's even funnier than the fact she whored for exposure, is the backlash and shitstorm that is going on now.

Really shame that mouthbreathers like Phil Fish attack TB for that..

[Jakexe]

I think you guys are being way to harsh on her. She has a hard job being in a masochistic industry. Give her the benefit of the doubt. Ummm some other stuff defending her and something about she's a strong independent woman.



I get to have sex with her now right?

[lpmafiota]

Wait, did Phil Fish delete his twitter profile? O.O

[Deleted]

So basically, some girl made some shitty game, slept with people to get good reviews, ex bf makes post concerning her whoring around, idiots get mad, things get deleted?
Why is this even a thing. Most "gaming journalism" sites have been utter shit for years, this shouldn't come as a surprise. Also, so has sleeping your way to the top, for males and females.

The TL: DR is that ....gaming journalism is shit, and has been shit, and someone was a slut. Why is this news?

[Yarathir]

Damnit now I have to remember what I posted in the last thread. Whatever, TLDR: I think her screwing over a non-profit charity project for bullshit reasons ("how dare they want women to work for free") is worse than her sleeping with gaming journalists.
Hilarious e-drama shitstorm though.

Totalbiscuit and Jontron have both been great during this. I wasn't even a huge fan but major kudos to them.
http://gamesnosh.com/the-ugly-side-o...ndal-comments/
http://i.imgur.com/EWAcqK1.png

Cheated wife tweets:

i feel a little sorry for TB on this one, his tweet was pretty neutral, basically saying "if she did do it, then thats bad" and just because he is more of a public figure than most discussing this, he got most of the flack for it

The way Totalbiscuit has handled this has made me a fan, so hey -- the "SJW" achieved the exact opposite of what they were trying to achieve. They made themselves look like bullying scumbags, and Totalbiscuit the honest, rational person (which he is), so.. thanks SJW, you made me a TB subscriber!



Also, that guy telling the wife that was cheated on that she should basically shut up. So amusing.