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  1. #41
    If something like this happened, I would no longer have daughter/son.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diddle View Post
    Is it that they really don't care for you, or that you were an awful parent? One of my kids flunked out of two private colleges, could have tossed him out on his ass and been completely in the right in the public eye. I didn't though and he's now a geographer working in GIS with a great house and a great family.

    From Gladiator: "Your faults as a son, are my failures as a father." Of course assuming I wasn't suffocated to death with a pillow after.
    If my daughter ended up a crack whore or being pimped out on the street, I would step in and help. Either my mistakes parenting or her poor ability to make decisions led to this, and I would feel obligated to help.

    But becoming an escort or porn actress? I wouldn't agree with either career, and I'd have minimal contact with them as long as they were doing it. I don't see that as extreme, hateful, terrible, or any of the other shit-talk I've seen in responses.

  3. #43
    Just cause you earn a six figure income doesn't mean you're living a good, healthy and happy life. Hopefully I've taught my children well enough about self respect by the time they are grown up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    But becoming an escort or porn actress? I wouldn't agree with either career, and I'd have minimal contact with them as long as they were doing it. I don't see that as extreme, hateful, terrible, or any of the other shit-talk I've seen in responses.
    Choosing to have minimal contact with your child because you don't agree with their career choice is pretty terrible.
    "In life, I was raised to hate the undead. Trained to destroy them. When I became Forsaken, I hated myself most of all. But now I see it is the Alliance that fosters this malice. The human kingdoms shun their former brothers and sisters because we remind them what's lurking beneath the facade of flesh. It's time to end their cycle of hatred. The Alliance deserves to fall." - Lilian Voss

  5. #45
    I wouldn't mind them fucking around, as long as they didn't betray a spouse/gf/bf, but I would like them to have careers with more depth and creativity. Selling their bodies is not a good job, even though it's not morally wrong and pays well.
    Mother pus bucket!

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    If my daughter ended up a crack whore or being pimped out on the street, I would step in and help. Either my mistakes parenting or her poor ability to make decisions led to this, and I would feel obligated to help.

    But becoming an escort or porn actress? I wouldn't agree with either career, and I'd have minimal contact with them as long as they were doing it. I don't see that as extreme, hateful, terrible, or any of the other shit-talk I've seen in responses.
    I'm just confused as to why you would feel responsible if she was a crackwhore or hooker, but not if she was an escort or pornstar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tankbug View Post
    ...but I would like them to have careers with more depth and creativity.
    Oh, some of them have depth and creativity, alright.
    "In life, I was raised to hate the undead. Trained to destroy them. When I became Forsaken, I hated myself most of all. But now I see it is the Alliance that fosters this malice. The human kingdoms shun their former brothers and sisters because we remind them what's lurking beneath the facade of flesh. It's time to end their cycle of hatred. The Alliance deserves to fall." - Lilian Voss

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    Quote Originally Posted by reffan View Post
    If something like this happened, I would no longer have daughter/son.
    Ha, well they clearly never had a parent.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Tzalix View Post
    Choosing to have minimal contact with your child because you don't agree with their career choice is pretty terrible.
    I get that people today believe standards are wrong and obtrusive to complete "Do What Thou Wilt" lives, but if the one stipulation I have is that my kids don't sell sex for money makes me a terrible parent, then I guess I'll be a terrible parent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    If my daughter ended up a crack whore or being pimped out on the street, I would step in and help. Either my mistakes parenting or her poor ability to make decisions led to this, and I would feel obligated to help.

    But becoming an escort or porn actress? I wouldn't agree with either career, and I'd have minimal contact with them as long as they were doing it. I don't see that as extreme, hateful, terrible, or any of the other shit-talk I've seen in responses.
    Agree you get way to much shit talk for stating your oppion, but still not saying I agree with you, however I assume you Watch porn once or twice doing your life? I'd lik to know how you can hate it so much if your kid ended up there, but you can enjoy it when it's another "child"

    VERY IMPORTANT HERE: KID / CHILD WOULD BE A PERSON OF ATLEAST 18 OR HIGHER.

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    I wouldn't be happy with the choice of course as that isn't what I'd want from any children I had. That being said however I would respect their choices, worry about their safety and rather than cutting off contact I'd contact them more often than I usually would just to make sure they are okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    I get that people today believe standards are wrong and obtrusive to complete "Do What Thou Wilt" lives, but if the one stipulation I have is that my kids don't sell sex for money makes me a terrible parent, then I guess I'll be a terrible parent.
    There's nothing wrong with having standards. Having stipulations about what your kid does doesn't make you a terrible parent. But choosing to have minimal contact with them because you disagree with their choices makes you a terrible parent.
    "In life, I was raised to hate the undead. Trained to destroy them. When I became Forsaken, I hated myself most of all. But now I see it is the Alliance that fosters this malice. The human kingdoms shun their former brothers and sisters because we remind them what's lurking beneath the facade of flesh. It's time to end their cycle of hatred. The Alliance deserves to fall." - Lilian Voss

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tzalix View Post
    There's nothing wrong with having standards. Having stipulations about what your kid does doesn't make you a terrible parent. But choosing to have minimal contact with them because you disagree with their choices makes you a terrible parent.
    Pretty much this, there's nothing wrong with being openly disappointed with your kid's decisions but to shut them out is awful.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Tzalix View Post
    There's nothing wrong with having standards. Having stipulations about what your kid does doesn't make you a terrible parent. But choosing to have minimal contact with them because you disagree with their choices makes you a terrible parent.
    Disagree. I wouldn't write them out of the will. I wouldn't actively disown them. I would just have minimal contact. It's the only way I have to show my disapproval. "If you continue to do something I view as wrong/bad, I will not associate with you". I won't stop loving them, or worrying. But I will show my disagreement the only way I have. Just saying "I disagree but whatevs lets go get a smoothie" strikes me as being more of a friend and much less a parent. I get that works for people. But for me, in this one singular case, I couldn't and wouldn't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    How is it a fit though? I wouldn't be angry, I would be disappointed in the child I raised choosing to do one of the few things I would be opposed to. I wouldn't hinder or stop them (I couldn't), all I would do is voice my disagreement and if they insisted that would be that. Maybe send a card at Christmas, or a phone call.

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    Yes, because having standards and holding to them is definitely equivalent to screaming and assault.
    I happen to agree with you on this. Too many strawman arguments being used in here. I may not personally go as far as disowning my child, but I would mind it for sure, for either gender.

    - Selling your body for money is a disgusting concept, to me; because most of the time, the girls/guys involved have a multitude of issues and have too low self esteem, or are too stupid, to go for other options. Other times, they are forced into the situation (but we're not talking about being forced here, so ignore this). Then you have the minority, which are actually doing it because they're nymphos and love sex with anyone they can get their hands on. For that minority, sure, go for it, since they are the only ones here that actually love sex so much they can enjoy it as a job.
    For those of you saying "let your child do what he / she loves", how often do you really think it is a love of sex that drives them to selling their bodies?

    - Which is where I think Atsawin is coming from. If I've honestly tried to avoid causing the multitude of problems that would leave my child viewing prostitution as a legit way of earning money, I'm going be hella pissed (with myself, and them). As he said, I will feel like I've failed them, because obviously I wasn't capable of giving them enough love/attention/life lessons/encouragement and whatever else they might have needed. On the other hand, I may end up blaming them if I think that I already did my best and they're just deciding to be stupid (again, assuming they do not fall into the minority).

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Niuxe View Post
    however I assume you Watch porn once or twice doing your life? I'd lik to know how you can hate it so much if your kid ended up there, but you can enjoy it when it's another "child"
    Cognitive dissonance. A lot of people have it in a variety of situations. It's why some folks can talk about wanting to kill all religious people but they themselves abhor violence. Or any various other similar situation.

    I try not to watch porn. Of course, that doesn't always work. I don't believe it should be illegal or anything, but it's just not what I'd want for my child. I'd want them to have higher aspirations than selling her body for cash, on camera or in a hotel room.

    Business, science, literature, art, charity work, being a mother, music, computer programming, anything, I want my daughter to have ambitions, not to just sell the most basic commodity as a career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atsawin26 View Post
    Cognitive dissonance. A lot of people have it in a variety of situations. It's why some folks can talk about wanting to kill all religious people but they themselves abhor violence. Or any various other similar situation.

    I try not to watch porn. Of course, that doesn't always work. I don't believe it should be illegal or anything, but it's just not what I'd want for my child. I'd want them to have higher aspirations than selling her body for cash, on camera or in a hotel room.

    Business, science, literature, art, charity work, being a mother, computer programming, anything, I want my daughter to have ambitions, not to just sell the most basic commodity as a career.
    If cognitive dissonance is self-aware isn't that really just hypocrisy?

    Not to say I'm not also a hypocrite in that regard. I would never want my daughter to be a pornstar but a world without porn is one I don't want to live in.

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    I wouldn't like it because of the risks involved. There would be no way to be sure it was 100% safe. So in that respect it would be similar to how I'd feel if they were a police officer, in the army or such - forever worried.

    Having said that, if it was totally their choice I would support them... I would just need alot of phone calls to let me know they're ok :P.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by diddle View Post
    If cognitive dissonance is self-aware isn't that really just hypocrisy?
    Yes, and it's something everyone does on various issues, even if they deny it.

    What's that saying, "the more he professed his honor the quicker I was to count the silver"?

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    I'd visit and pay them to make sure they are professional about it and take there job seriously, whatever job you do, client is king.

    On a more serious note: If they do what they enjoy and want to do rather then using it as the last option to make money.

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