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    Quote Originally Posted by Lincoln Lawyer View Post
    The problem with the wow playerbase is people making threads stating with definitive affirmation what is wrong with the wow playerbase. You're what's wrong with the wow playerbase you arrogant bastard.
    People have the right to express an opinion on whether their monthly subscription is worth it. It's just probably not accurate to say that there is one problem that is wrong with wow that everyone agrees on. Change is scary and garrisons and new features that are implemented will take time for people to understand how the work and how they are meant to work from a design perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    And in most of those threads you are the one attacking someone for having an opinion.
    So who are you kidding?
    Difference between attacking and fighting back, try reading the threads where I "attack" people, they usually start shit first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    or why not tie this to alts - from what i understand garrisons are acount wide - why not make extra plots depends on numebrs of max lv charakter - for exampls for each 2 new chars on 100 make aviable 1 plot ofg each kind , going 1>3>5>7 interwalls for it.
    Aye, I think that's a reasonable idea and one I could potentially support (it's better than nothing).

    But as Fummockelchen states, I don't believe garrisons are account wide - you need to build them from scratch on every toon, and that'll get old real quick.

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    And people wonder why Bashiok sounds frustrated from time to time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conscious View Post
    I don't see what you're getting at OP, Blizzard has cut this feature to shreds than what it was originally plugged to be.

    Someone wanting more choice is not a bad thing, especially considering we were supposed to have it to begin with.
    How so? The only cut feature was never a planned feature. The ability to place your Garrison anywhere was corrected the same day during the QA panel. I was never under the assumption that I could have every building in my plot.

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    Indeed.

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    The big difference was simply that the game kicked you in the damn teeth for ANY failure.
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    They make dungeons into mindless boring wastes of time... fair enough.

    They make Legendaries into a quest everyone can do easily... fair enough.

    They make.... LFR... fair ENOUGH!

    But they put the price up 1 quid in the UK... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! That's it, this has gone TOO FAR!
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    It does not only come from people like this. There are also sort of self-delusioned people that play this game. Those that have the ME complex from this kid all the way up to including the person or persons that think content should be reversed for only them or people like them. The only difference between the two is they are coming at something from to trains of thought and entitlement complex.

    Sure some are going to say things should only be forward to people that are will to work for them. That is not what I am talking about here, the fact that someone think they should be the only one or part some group of people that be given exclusive content is no different then this kid wanting all of the buildings in his garrison. Because it is always a about "ME" "I" "WE", this a multi-player game and as such we don't have the poor section, the middle class section, or the rich section. We all play the same game at various different level, but in the same content.

    This game has all sort of ME problems and every single one of them come from greed and selfishness plain and simple. This train has been going dwon the track since I started at the end of BC for me and I have slowly watched to get to the point where it showed up all bright and shiny in the LFR. I can't speak for the four years previous, I have not idea what type people played all that time.

    So this mentality and example is not only reserved for the kid in this example. We have millions that think like this coming from various degrees of play. It is only going to get worse, because as soon as WoD hit, that is going to show another whole level of ME people in the game. Some are simply not going to be able to cope going forward. Most of the sane people will start to really wonder "why am I still playing this game", others will find they are shocked beyond belief at the level of play they are going to have to step up into to make through. I can see a ton of people not at all being happy about what they are going to be paying for, others will simply say yes finally they made stuff harder.

    But there are far more other things that are problematic in this game besides the ME complex people. We have people that have never socialized with a soul and others that feel the constant need to be an a** to everyone in their wake. They love nothing more than to dig their spurs in every chance they get.

    Everything that exist outside of this game exist inside of it as well, every single bit of the every day life baggage people bring into it. After all they can get away with it more on the Internet, because their is no one holding the keys to stop them. One can have power at 9 as well as 75 on here and no stop them.

    To truly fix what is wrong with what is going on in this game, would take fixing what is wrong with society as a whole. We have more than a ME problem here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorzzara View Post
    "Because that would be cool." There is no reasoning behind this persons post, he just behaves like a kid in a store, blabbering and nagging "BUT I WANT ANOTHER TOY! MOOOMMMMYYYY!". He/She doesn't care whether or not that would make garrisons boring, meanungless buff-spewers that you have to build to completion, just like you have to level your character to 100.
    First off, although this probably was said already but 12 pages long so ugh, the issue I see here is that insults are flung instead of disagreeing respectfully.

    2nd off, while I agree that you shouldn't have every single building, if having every single building makes it a boring, meaningless buff-spewer, then how does not having all them suddenly change that? Sure, it adds a few moments of deciding, but the end result is still the same.
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    While the Topic of the original post is a good example of stupidity, i feel as though there is a good question to ask:

    What is stopping people from finding the most optimal Garrison Layout and then cookie cuttering the hell out of it? Its obvious every building will have utility, but someone out there will find some method of min maxing the Garrison and people will start another trend of following the builds to stay competitive.

    Isn't that kind of counter intuitive when Blizzard designed the garrison as a simple personal quest hub experience and not another step for competition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lothaeryn View Post
    While the Topic of the original post is a good example of stupidity, i feel as though there is a good question to ask:

    What is stopping people from finding the most optimal Garrison Layout and then cookie cuttering the hell out of it? Its obvious every building will have utility, but someone out there will find some method of min maxing the Garrison and people will start another trend of following the builds to stay competitive.

    Isn't that kind of counter intuitive when Blizzard designed the garrison as a simple personal quest hub experience and not another step for competition?
    Well, besides the one that allows bonus raid roll, I forgot which one that is, but it sounds like it would be wanted by a large amount of people, the rest is merely up to your personal preferences. Would you rather be able to loot while mounted, and move a bit faster while mounted, or gain more rep with factions? Both save time overall.

    I'm sure there will be some optimal builds though for like "If you're trying to max reps, build x, y, and z", or "if you're a hardcore raider, build a, b, and c".
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Caretaker View Post
    Aye, I think that's a reasonable idea and one I could potentially support (it's better than nothing).

    But as Fummockelchen states, I don't believe garrisons are account wide - you need to build them from scratch on every toon, and that'll get old real quick.
    it is really not building them that is the problem it is the achievements that are wrapped around getting to level 3 with most of these buildings and fishing as well. I can't imagine getting to level 3 on more than a couple of the 11 characters I constantly play, it is pretty easy to get to level 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    In pve there are no losers really, but there are bad decisions, it is called teaching them to be the best they can and teaching them if they fail to try harder and not complain if a challenge is difficult to find a way to conquer that obstacle.
    But calling them a loser doesn't do that. Telling them what they did wrong helps but calling bobby a loser over and over again is just damaging.

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    Yes, that one singular person is entirely representative of the entire WoW playerbase. Both current and ex!

    But you, you are obviously what we should aspire to be, naturally. What, with your well reasoned arguments to counter the guy/girl quoted in your OP and everything.

    Personally, I'd say players like the OP and the players like the one quoted in the OP (thought to an actual lesser extent) are the issue. Thing is, neither of them represent an entire playerbase.
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    I think of a saying: "The problem with giving the little man a place to air his opinions is that the little man is often little because he has nothing of value to say." Posts like the OP's echo that sentiment so strongly in my eyes. Nothing but mugging for the camera in the hopes of validation from fellow narrow-minded little people.

    But, as they say, that's the Internet for you. All it's good for is porn and complaining about stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dvaldin View Post
    They have the right idea imposing Garrison limits, but I don't know if they will continue to have the stamina to stand up to the "We Want It All" crowd.
    The "we want it all" crowd is the same people who thought everyone should be on the same raid tier at once and the last 2 should be made redundant instantly, than complain on the forums there is no content (because they skipped the last 2 to get the new epic gears from the new one Soo)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarawa View Post
    it is really not building them that is the problem it is the achievements that are wrapped around getting to level 3 with most of these buildings and fishing as well. I can't imagine getting to level 3 on more than a couple of the 11 characters I constantly play, it is pretty easy to get to level 2.
    That's another perfectly reasonable criticism of the system. If you like achievements (I do), you're effectively forced to smash existing work in order to recreate what you actually want.

    It's just a poor design choice.

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    That is why i quit WoW.

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