Windows 9 release date, news and rumors

[Fallen Angel]

This interface.

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After classicshell, I never encountered the Metro UI. Give it a try, maybe

[Thes]

Windows 8 is a great OS in its core. It runs great and is very stable. The only issue is the horrible touch screen tablet UI and the lack of tools to modify it.

Well it's not horrible if you actually use a tablet or touchscreen laptop... :P

[Vash The Stampede]

The pie chart really shows nothing useful. Majority of companies will stick with what they got, do you know how much it takes for a big company to switch from XP or 7 to something newer? Well a lot. It definitely shows nothing about peoples preference not in a meaningful way anyways. Also every ~3 years isn't really THAT often.

So you're discrediting the pie chart because the tides go in tides go out? Nobody can explain that? Who's to say the pie chart represents companies as well as end users? It shows Linux as 1.67% and we know it's presence in business is much higher than that. Steam shows that Linux has a ~1% share. Well, a 1% share of steam users.

Well, all you've said is true, but... I know, there is always a but xD. But, if you a gamer, you actually have to upgrade it if you want to have suport for new graphic features (Direct3d) and stuff like netframework and other.

Offcourse, we can actually blame Microsoft for this, because they could easely implement suport for these on previous OS'es, like XP (XP is stuck with suport for Dx9c ).

But offcourse most people won't need these.

Windows 8 doesn't offer anything new in terms of better version of DX11. But if Microsoft's history shows anything that most likely DX12 might be Win9 exclusive. When Microsoft made DX10 Vista only it segregated the market badly. Due to this most games today don't support DX10. DX12 will probably be supported in Win8 and Win9 but leaving out Win7 will be a big problem for the graphics card industry. Cause no matter what you or anyone else says here, people aren't going to move away from Win7 so easily. With API's like OpenGL-Next and Mantle then why care so much about DX12? Developers might feel the same way.

[fixx]

Who's to say the pie chart represents companies as well as end users? It shows Linux as 1.67% and we know it's presence in business is much higher than that. Steam shows that Linux has a ~1% share.

The chart represents web browsers used to access the polling sites, nothing more, nothing less.

1.67% linux score shows how (un)popular it is as a desktop OS, it has got nothing to do with server popularity because people dont browse websites on servers.

[Asera]

Windows 8 doesn't offer anything new in terms of better version of DX11. But if Microsoft's history shows anything that most likely DX12 might be Win9 exclusive. When Microsoft made DX10 Vista only it segregated the market badly. Due to this most games today don't support DX10. DX12 will probably be supported in Win8 and Win9 but leaving out Win7 will be a big problem for the graphics card industry. Cause no matter what you or anyone else says here, people aren't going to move away from Win7 so easily. With API's like OpenGL-Next and Mantle then why care so much about DX12? Developers might feel the same way.

DirectX has become one of the most bloated APIs over the years, we can only hope developers forget about it in favour of OpenGL. Mantle is too proprietary to take off.

[Deleted]

After classicshell, I never encountered the Metro UI. Give it a try, maybe

whilst classic shell is fantastic, and does the job. it should not be needed to have a 3rd party app to have a menu system which is vastly superior for a desktop OS. Metro is fine for the touch screen devices, and phones, However MS were incredibly short sited over not having the start button menu system as an option that can be enabled if needed.

[Vash The Stampede]

The chart represents web browsers used to access the polling sites, nothing more, nothing less.

So you're saying that Windows 8 users tend to not visit polling sites? Windows 7 and XP users have nothing better to do except go online? We could always go by the Steam hardware survey. For people that play games Win7 dominates by 60%. Windows 8/8.1 is about 30% and Windows XP is over 5%. That's not accurate either cause it's just for people who use Steam.

No matter how you slice the pie, Windows 8/8.1 is not a popular choice.

1.67% linux score shows how (un)popular it is as a desktop OS,

So what does that say about Vista at 3%?

It has got nothing to do with server popularity because people dont browse websites on servers.

I was just pointing out that Linux's 1.67% is probably accurate in terms of people using it at home. Steam shows it to be also ~1%.

[fixx]

DirectX has become one of the most bloated APIs over the years, we can only hope developers forget about it in favour of OpenGL. Mantle is too proprietary to take off.

Developers use what is well supported, and what Microsoft does well is developer tools.

Also no clue what you mean with DX being "bloated" API? Old parts are frequently deprecated, some might say even too frequently.

[Vash The Stampede]

DirectX has become one of the most bloated APIs over the years, we can only hope developers forget about it in favour of OpenGL. Mantle is too proprietary to take off.

If AMD had any sense they would take Mantle and hand it over to khronos group. Which surprisingly that's what they're doing. From what I hear OpenGL-Next is essentially Mantle. AMD helped them make it. Why you think Intel is interested in Mantle? Probably because of OpenGL-Next. Mantle will fade away in years from now but it will live on through OpenGL-Next.

[Bristae]

No longer Windows 9.... named Windows 10. Seriously.
But what they are showing at the event looks good.

[fixx]

So you're saying

I'm saying that you get out whatever numbers you're trying to poll for, which is the source for the famous "lies, damned lies and statistics" quote.

If you ask for most used OS on gamer site (like Steam) you'll get significantly higher number of newest Windows (8) because gamers have new stuff, and if you ask for most used OS in for example slashdot you'll get significantly higher percentages for linux and OSX.

[Deleted]

No matter how you slice the pie, Windows 8/8.1 is not a popular choice.

People already on Windows 7 or XP is less likely to go out and pay for a new OS when they're comfortable with their current one, some of them also gets scared about switching because of all the unfounded scare tactics put forth by people that can't think past the "UI issue" and several stupid internet memes. There is nothing surprising about the chart, it's not about Windows 8 not being popular. It's just that if you're purchasing new there is literally zero reason (or very few...) not to go with Windows 8 or whichever alternative you may prefer like Linux.

[Twoddle]

Windows 8 is a great OS in its core. It runs great and is very stable. The only issue is the horrible touch screen tablet UI and the lack of tools to modify it.

Please Microsoft make Windows 9 be like Windows 8 performance-wise with full UI modification options (like Linux).

Atm I'm running Linux only as I have given up on all sorts of gaming...

Windows has had the same core for generations, it's just the layers of crap that gets piled on top that changes and makes it grossly inefficient. Windows 95 ran just as fast with a single core 100MHz CPU although it was buggy.

[glo]

Windows has had the same core for generations, it's just the layers of crap that gets piled on top that changes and makes it grossly inefficient. Windows 95 ran just as fast with a single core 100MHz CPU although it was buggy.

DOS and NT are no where remotely close to the same "core". Not to mention the massive differences between the NT that we had 8 years ago and what we have now.

[fixx]

Windows has had the same core for generations, it's just the layers of crap that gets piled on top that changes and makes it grossly inefficient. Windows 95 ran just as fast with a single core 100MHz CPU although it was buggy.

Here's a warning for all the kids reading: above quoted bit is a great example for proving you're clueless hater in single step.


Win8 memory usage is about half of 7's, that should be the easiest example to prove you wrong.

[Dartz1979]

I seem to do okay and i'm using windows 8.1

[ldev]

DirectX has become one of the most bloated APIs over the years, we can only hope developers forget about it in favour of OpenGL. Mantle is too proprietary to take off.

Heuheuheu, joke of a year. One of the open source lunies who think OpenGL also runs on Playstation or iPhone.