Best spec in beta currently?

[Colonel Sandor]

Was wondering since Survival is king right now in Live, whats the best spec in the beta currently. Did anything get nerfed/buffed?

[Deleted]

BM is currently King on Live in BiS gear.

as for what's doing well on Beta atm, i do not know.

[WarBringerPT]

BM is currently King on Live in BiS gear.

as for what's doing well on Beta atm, i do not know.

Constructive post.

@op
This last patch nerfed kill command, but still looks like BM is the top dps spec. SV is looking good mechanically, with that lnl revert change, though it still looks weak in terms of dmg. MM received almost nothing to help it get better (steady focus could help).

[timoseewho]

I second BM, Blizzard is doing everything they can atm to bring down BM and bump up SV though.

[Aimbot1]

Was wondering since Survival is king right now in Live, ...

lol /10chars

[Conjor]

Here is my current ranking of each of the specs with varying degrees of gear (D=Dungeon,N=Normal/Pre-Heroic,PvP=PvP):



MM is currently scaling off the charts with wep dmg, hence the HUGE jump. Could be a bug in simc stuff, who knows.

Beta, beta, beta, simcnotgosple, ect

[Artemishowl]

Here is my current ranking of each of the specs with varying degrees of gear (D=Dungeon,N=Normal/Pre-Heroic,PvP=PvP):



MM is currently scaling off the charts with wep dmg, hence the HUGE jump. Could be a bug in simc stuff, who knows.

Beta, beta, beta, simcnotgosple, ect

What stat priorities were you using for the PVP MM set?

[Aimbot1]

Conjor,
How is simc handling Sniper Training uptime with MM currently? The actual uptime will def depend on the encounter but i was just curious how Simc handles it atm.

[Conjor]

What stat priorities were you using for the PVP MM set?

The PvP MM set is copy-pasta from the profiles that are in the simc repo atm, with the exception of a Megawatt Filament as the wep enchant and a custom APL.

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Conjor,
How is simc handling Sniper Training uptime with MM currently? The actual uptime will def depend on the encounter but i was just curious how Simc handles it atm.

It is handled as you would expect. Since almost all sims are done with 0 movement, it becomes a static buff. You could do one with movement and it wouldn't be static anymore, but it can handle that case.

In terms of how close that will be to a real raid encounter, well, that comes down to player skill. There are very few fights that I have raid tested that clearly showed a seriously problem for MM in terms of movement requirements. They even added in a special check for push-back mechanics so that it didn't affect the buff for their duration.

[Hiimdave]

Conjor,

What stat weight / gear list did you use for the MM T17_N profile?

[Conjor]

Conjor,

What stat weight / gear list did you use for the MM T17_N profile?

Didn't do any specific min/maxing:

head=rylakstalkers_headguard,id=115545
neck=spiked_foundry_collar,id=116309,enchant=gift_of_critical_strike
shoulders=rylakstalkers_spaulders,id=115547
back=deadshot_longcloak,id=116304,enchant=gift_of_critical_strike
chest=rylakstalkers_tunic,id=115548
wrists=beastmasters_iron_bracers,id=116038
hands=rylakstalkers_gloves,id=115549
waist=bloodsteel_warbelt,id=116047
legs=rylakstalkers_legguards,id=115546
feet=ramcarriers_treads,id=116042
finger1=eye_of_the_gronn,id=116299,enchant=gift_of_critical_strike
finger2=solium_band_of_dexterity,id=118292,enchant=gift_of_critical_strike
trinket1=blackheart_enforcers_medallion,id=116314
trinket2=formidable_jar_of_doom,id=114610
main_hand=crackshot_longrifle,id=116388,enchant=megawatt_filament

[Deleted]

'We're seeing Survival as slightly high on damage (by just a few %).'

Is this some kind of sick joke?

[Inval1d]

How are the PVP sets for SV and BM scaling better than the regular gear?

[Trollragemore]

Wait what! BM is not going to be king spec for teir 17... /sarcasm :P Just plz tell me that BiR for MM will not be the gurly Blood Elves

[Conjor]

Wait what! BM is not going to be king spec for teir 17... /sarcasm :P Just plz tell me that BiR for MM will not be the gurly Blood Elves

In terms of race I would see: BM=Orc, MM=Tauren (at N-H gear levels), SV=Anything

... Yes, I said Tauren :/

[Kissthebaby]

In terms of race I would see: BM=Orc, MM=Tauren (at N-H gear levels), SV=Anything

... Yes, I said Tauren :/

It's minor but yea Tauren will get better with gear for sure

[Nakauri]

'We're seeing Survival as slightly high on damage (by just a few %).'

Is this some kind of sick joke?

Maybe not. SV is a DoT class attuned to Multistrike with a 20% damage buff to multistrikes. There could be a significant jump in survival damage once you've got multiple ticks rolling and they're all multistriking once or twice. I haven't done any math on this or looked at how sims are handling SV DoTs, and something something reports on arcane serpent sting mysteries. The Survivalist change is being accounted for, right?

[Artemishowl]

Maybe not. SV is a DoT class attuned to Multistrike with a 20% damage buff to multistrikes. There could be a significant jump in survival damage once you've got multiple ticks rolling and they're all multistriking once or twice. I haven't done any math on this or looked at how sims are handling SV DoTs, and something something reports on arcane serpent sting mysteries. The Survivalist change is being accounted for, right?

Well that's not showing in tests so

[Deleted]

Maybe not. SV is a DoT class attuned to Multistrike with a 20% damage buff to multistrikes. There could be a significant jump in survival damage once you've got multiple ticks rolling and they're all multistriking once or twice. I haven't done any math on this or looked at how sims are handling SV DoTs, and something something reports on arcane serpent sting mysteries. The Survivalist change is being accounted for, right?

That would be possible if there was interaction between our dots and, well, anything. As far as I can tell BA multistrikes don't proc L&L.

[Nakauri]

There are no interactions between our DoTs, no. We simply have a higher modifier on our multistrike damage. So a higher multistrike for us would yield a higher amount of throughput than it would for others. Of course, that doesn't mean anything if our damage is already lower regardless. I'd be more interested in seeing the chart towards the end tiers of WoD.
IE, normally 30% multistrike would average 109% damage and 60% multistrike would average 118%. But with Survivalist that multiplier changes from 1.3 and 1.6 to 1.36 and 1.72 so at 30% multistrike the average damage would be 110% and at 60% it'd be 121.6%. Probably pennies and totally irrelevant, but I think it's an interesting dynamic.