Hey Star Trek fans: What do you hate most about Star Trek?

[Tyrgannus]

Wesley Crusher.... He really is an idiot, fucks everything up, is able, to solve the problems, the seasoned officers can not solve, and gets promoted.

Shut up Wesley!

I always wanted to punch Q. Maybe that's a good thing though?

[Reeve]

Last I heard a "Captain Worf" series was in production.

Sounds awful. They really shit all over Worf's character when he went to DS9, imo, and the character was always a bit too stiff to make a good captain anyway.

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Last I heard a "Captain Worf" series was in production.

It will be so bad, Worf was never the most interesting character.

[Tyrgannus]

Last I heard a "Captain Worf" series was in production.

Worf makes terrible choices, honestly. I can't see him being a great captain.

[Deleted]

Hate the fact that in TNG onwards they can beam people directly to sickbay/bridge. Yet still have to take turbo lifts.

Just beam people about the ship ffs!!!

[Deleted]

It will be so bad, Worf was never the most interesting character.

Cause Star Trek has a lot of interesting characters.

[Deleted]

The way Voyager pussified the borg, the last few episodes especially but my main biggest gripe is the borg queen in general. Before First Contact, the borg were a faceless foe without identity and without any substance of reason or leadership but when the queen arrived, they become a lot less mysterious and alien.

I'd also say time travel primarily in voyager and a few other instances like the ST4 or even the reboot were pretty bad. In ST, it's done pretty poorly most of the time in terms of making it somewhat believable (ST4 was a pretty bad excuse for time travel although a fun film) but time-related episodes can be interesting like "Cause and Effect" or "City on the Edge of Forever".

I'm more of a casual fan/viewer though.

[Endus]

How annoyingly Mary-Sue some races are, like Humanity itself. Comunism where there is no money and everyone just does their best for...nothing?! Yeah, totally believable. The ferengi are more believable as humans than the humans themlselves.

Not for "nothing". For promotion, self-improvement, reputation, etc. Money isn't the sole driver of ambition.

Plus, as mentioned, the Federation is meant to be an idealized human society.

This is why I'm a Star Wars fan, it's just way more socially accurate.

Star Wars is Conan In Space. It isn't "socially accurate" in any meaningful sense. It's a universe largely defined by the religious conflict between two utterly genocidal ethics, one of which we're supposed to believe is "good" despite an eons-long campaign of deliberate genocide.

It's okay for sword-and-sorcery-in-space, but there's no attempt to be "socially accurate". It's also just as terrible as Trek for having every planet be a single climate and culture.

Star Trek and Star Wars are not pinnacles of science fiction, any more than Justin Bieber is a pinnacle of pop music.

[Deleted]

This may sound like an odd thing to ask. I myself like most incarnations of Star Trek, but there are certain "Star Trek-isms" that occasionally annoy me. A lot of them come from my experiences in an actual navy onboard a submarine. Not the same thing, so I can't say the Trek-isms are "incorrect" or "wrong" but they do annoy me.

The first one that always bugs me is officers reminiscing about their days at the Academy. You can tell these lines weren't written by anyone who actually attended Annapolis or West Point. Chakotay and Janeway walking down a passageway sharing Academy stories relevant to the plot of the episode they are in. "I remember so-and-so, my instructor in warp mechanics at the Academy..." They look back fondly as though Starfleet Academy is a civilian college where fun is had rather than the kind of grueling, disciplined place of academic hardship that an officer academy is. Naval officers do NOT reminisce about their days as cadets. They do, however, reminisce about previous commands they've worked at.

Anybody else?

i can solve this knot in your head:


starfleet is NOT a MILITARY fleet.

its a fleet of scientists, thaths why those storys are kind of like university (you may not have attended)

basically starfleet is a 50/50 mixture of military and university. which clearly fits into socialist views this whiole startrek thing is based on. its pseudo-military. thats why those storys are so different from your experiences. also ranks and structure are kind of different in starfleet.

that may ALSO explain miles o'brien.


miles never persued a "degree" at starfleet academy, but that doesnt mean he never has been there for one or two lectures about engineering, for example. he is not a signed academy graduate, but he may have attended starfleet academy for career purposes.

so he was there, but never has been there at the same time (when miles talks about this he wants to point out hes not one of those pseudo-half-militarists linked to here motives and morals, when bashir talks about him, he wants to point at sth different i think)

[YuneKirby]

Hate the fact that in TNG onwards they can beam people directly to sickbay/bridge. Yet still have to take turbo lifts.

Just beam people about the ship ffs!!!

Lazy much? Pretty sure the transporters require a heck of a lot more energy to power. It'd be like taking your car to get to the house across the street.

Also, I agree with other comments that Starfleet is mostly non-military. I'm sure they do have a more militaristic branch, and there are probably ships that specialize in warfare, but the Enterprise is not one of them.

[Deleted]

My top 3 trek hates:

3. Holo deck episodes (I love Patrick Stewart but I'm watching Star Trek not Patrick Stewart in Robin Hood/ world war 2 etc)
2. Time travel episodes (always San Francisco)
3. How a one man kazon fighters shield generators can be totally undamaged by a fully powered discharge from voyagers phaser banks, which are several times bigger than the entire fighter itself, and then that that same one person fighter with tiny phaser banks can cause huge damage to voyagers shields despite their shield generators being huge and highly advanced.

[Xarkan]

Hate the fact that in TNG onwards they can beam people directly to sickbay/bridge. Yet still have to take turbo lifts.

Just beam people about the ship ffs!!!

"I teleported home one night With Ron and Sid and Meg. Ron stole Meggie's heart away And I got Sidney's leg."

Douglas Adams kinda.. in this case from http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Happi-Werld_III

Maybe using transporters for every convenience is unwise

[Easo]

Sorry, not a Star Trek fan, but...
Ships. The Federation ones.
Seriously, they are flying saucers, they are not cool in any way!

[Deleted]

Lazy much? Pretty sure the transporters require a heck of a lot more energy to power. It'd be like taking your car to get to the house across the street.

Also, I agree with other comments that Starfleet is mostly non-military. I'm sure they do have a more militaristic branch, and there are probably ships that specialize in warfare, but the Enterprise is not one of them.

Right, so you have a power source that can go 9x Light Speed, yet can't beam people as opposed to using a turbolift?

Feek aff.

[Endus]

Right, so you have a power source that can go 9x Light Speed, yet can't beam people as opposed to using a turbolift?

Feek aff.

1> Power isn't unlimited, and transporters are particularly power-intensive.
2> Transporters aren't infallible. The chance of failure may be small, but using them more and more often increases your personal risk. When the other option is "walk 100 meters", that's pretty ridiculous.

[Deleted]

1> Power isn't unlimited, and transporters are particularly power-intensive.
2> Transporters aren't infallible. The chance of failure may be small, but using them more and more often increases your personal risk. When the other option is "walk 100 meters", that's pretty ridiculous.

Disagree, but seeing as you are a mod I'll probably get a ban.

You win

[Xarkan]

1> Power isn't unlimited, and transporters are particularly power-intensive.

Their immense power capabilities are however the foundation of their less materialistic society. The nilly willy throw objects together from nothing but templates just to suit their dinner needs. I am not entirely convinced they care at all about minor power consumptions like that when it does not involve modulating tachyon beams through the deflector or some such
Edit: Does modulating tachyon beams through the deflector somehow mean something *shrugs* who knows.

2> Transporters aren't infallible. The chance of failure may be small, but using them more and more often increases your personal risk. When the other option is "walk 100 meters", that's pretty ridiculous.

Are you implying people do not want to be half plant, half floor board, half human?

[Hammerfest]

Last I heard a "Captain Worf" series was in production.

I would watch that.

[Mekh]

1> Power isn't unlimited, and transporters are particularly power-intensive.
2> Transporters aren't infallible. The chance of failure may be small, but using them more and more often increases your personal risk. When the other option is "walk 100 meters", that's pretty ridiculous.

I'd guess, it's a personnel thing: We know, there's specially trained Transporter Chiefs and they'd need a lot more of them working 24/7 to beam people around the ship all the time.

[Xarkan]

I'd guess, it's a personnel thing: We know, there's specially trained Transporter Chiefs and they'd need a lot more of them working 24/7 to beam people around the ship all the time.

You do realize that Star trek has had episodes where people got merged etc from transporters? The failures are at times horrible (if plot driven) to an extent where i question people using them at all more than people not using them all the time