"Sharia police" patrolling german streets

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It's still being built, they've finally built a bridge over the A52 next to the QMC though as I have to walk past that most days. The ones in the city center itself are finished and have been for a while, just these extensions seem to be taking their sweet time. Been watching them do stuff for 2 years, they've got another 2 to finish it before I leave.

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It has its nice bits, beats Romford, Essex. I didn't come home much last year and when I did it staggered me how awful this place is, the kind of people who walk around with their mouths open because they forgot to close it after breakfast. And yeah lets just say me and him don't really get on sometimes. Apparently I'm disrespectful (to some ridiculous ideas), who woulda thought it doesn't sound like me at all!

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It's still being built, they've finally built a bridge over the A52 next to the QMC though as I have to walk past that most days. The ones in the city center itself are finished and have been for a while, just these extensions seem to be taking their sweet time. Been watching them do stuff for 2 years, they've got another 2 to finish it before I leave.

Yeah I still live here. For about 1.5 years I went past the city centre works and nothing ever seemed to have been done. Now the works up near me (south Notts) have been going on for ages. I don't know what it is, but they in-half take their time about it.

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So anyone thinking of forming a Sharia Police Police?

[MerinPally]

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Derailing.. trams.. *giggles*. Seriously there's not an awful lot to talk about though, an old article where the only crime committed was dealt with. It's bad that they do this, it weakens their cause. Does the law in Germany not allow people to enter private agreements? It was my understanding here in UK that in a private contractual agreement, if 2 people choose to abide by Shariah then they are allowed to as long as it doesn't contravene the laws of the country (e.g. you don't suddenly become able to murder gays).

Yeah I still live here. For about 1.5 years I went past the city centre works and nothing ever seemed to have been done. Now the works up near me (south Notts) have been going on for ages. I don't know what it is, but they in-half take their time about it.

Well at least the bridge is done, as the A52 was a bit of a hurdle. I think they're building a large-ish tram station nearby too, and Nottingham Railway Station was under works for ages but I think that's getting back to a more normal service finally. I'll be going past the QMC on thursday when I move back so I guess I'll see what progress has happened.

[Elegiac]

So anyone thinking of forming a Sharia Police Police?

No, but I am thinking of starting a Grammar Police to put people who say 'irregardless' in prison.

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Also making threads about old stories makes it sound like you just have an axe to grind and found an article to have as an excuse.

Old article? It's only 2 days old.
Edit: Oh, wait. Are you reading the date like the US-date? 06.09.2014 in germany equals 09.06.2014 somewhere else.
Hence it's from the 6th of September 2014.

Doesn't seem like they did anything wrong. That's like if you wore a Christ Police jacket and stood outside an abortion clinic telling people they shouldn't do it. I find this and that both wrong personally but I don't think any law was broken.

They were imposting the police ad like one politician said; ..."the state alone" is responsible for the administration of justice in Germany.

[Nyanmaru]

Derailing.. trams.. *giggles*. Seriously there's not an awful lot to talk about though, an old article where the only crime committed was dealt with. It's bad that they do this, it weakens their cause. Does the law in Germany not allow people to enter private agreements? It was my understanding here in UK that in a private contractual agreement, if 2 people choose to abide by Shariah then they are allowed to as long as it doesn't contravene the laws of the country (e.g. you don't suddenly become able to murder gays).

As long as what you do is within the law there's no issue there. If you don't want to eat your broccoli no one forces you to, but that private agreement doesn't give you the right to tell other people not to.
In relevance to the article on dw.de "tell people" not to do something could be either thought of as "asking people" or "ordering people" not to do it. The asking part is okay, the ordering part is etchy (authority to issue directives solely lies with the police and in some cases rescue personell).

They were imposting the police ad like one politician said; ..."the state alone" is responsible for the administration of justice in Germany.

Where there are no example of "how" they were imposing as police. If they don't go around and assume authority there's not much more imposing than me wearing my "Rechtschreibpolizei" shirt.

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Where there are no example of "how" they were imposing as police. If they don't go around and assume authority there's not much more imposing than me wearing my "Rechtschreibpolizei" shirt.

Well, duh. You are not allowed to do that either. You may remember that funshirt?
http://www.radarfalle.de/recht/urteile/urteil39.php
You speak german, right?

[diddle]

They were imposting the police ad like one politician said; ..."the state alone" is responsible for the administration of justice in Germany.

From what I read they actually were just spreading awareness around casinos and the like. If their "uniforms" had actually been made to look like official police that is definitely a problem. But if someone walked up to me with "Shariah Law Police" on them I would instantly know they weren't actual police. They weren't arresting anyone or anything.

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From what I read they actually were just spreading awareness around casinos and the like. If their "uniforms" had actually been made to look like official police that is definitely a problem. But if someone walked up to me with "Shariah Law Police" on them I would instantly know they weren't actual police. They weren't arresting anyone or anything.

They where acting like they were Police, apparently that's reason enough.
Just because your country allows people to shoot each other doesn't mean everyone has to.
By that I mean; different countries have different laws and you have no clue.

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From what I read they actually were just spreading awareness around casinos and the like. If their "uniforms" had actually been made to look like official police that is definitely a problem. But if someone walked up to me with "Shariah Law Police" on them I would instantly know they weren't actual police. They weren't arresting anyone or anything.

Just using the word Shariah is a problem though and shouldn't be tolerated.

[diddle]

They where acting like they were Police, apparently that's reason enough.
Just because your country allows people to shoot each other doesn't mean everyone has to.
By that I mean; different countries have different laws and you have no clue.

Unless they were acting like they were police, ie ordering people not to do something or arresting, I think having the word "police" on you without looking anything like an officer isn't really impersonating an officer. Of course I'm not sure what the German law interpretation actually is, but to be honest I feel like this is only getting a lot of attention because it is great justification for overly xenophobic anti-immigrationists. Not that there aren't valid reasons to be for immigration reform given the current problems Europe is having with assimilation.

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sharia law should be banned. end of.

[bufferunderrun]

Unless they were acting like they were police, ie ordering people not to do something or arresting, I think having the word "police" on you without looking anything like an officer isn't really impersonating an officer. Of course I'm not sure what the German law interpretation actually is, but to be honest I feel like this is only getting a lot of attention because it is great justification for overly xenophobic anti-immigrationists. Not that there aren't valid reasons to be for immigration reform given the current problems Europe is having with assimilation.

The groups reportedly hovered around sites like discotheques and gambling houses, telling passers-by to refrain from gambling and alcohol. Wuppertal's police have begun pressing charges.

if the german police asked for charges they probably weren't doing it in a non intimidating way, just the fact the police take them seriously is extremely suspicious, and then we have another glimpse of why the police take them seriously:

The 33-year-old behind the Wuppertal patrols, former fireman Sven Lau, published a video on his website on Saturday. Lau said that a "Sharia police" never existed, and that a group of men had simply worn the mock uniforms for a few hours.
"We knew that this would raise attention," Lau said, claiming that his goal was to spark a debate about Sharia law in Germany.
Lau is a leading member of Germany's Salafist movement, advocates of a strict Sunni interpretation of political Islam. He works with a mosque in his native Mönchengladbach, not far west of Wuppertal, and used to head the fundamentalist group "Invitation to Paradise." (Einladung zum Paradies, in German.)

so he was the head of fundamentalist group and thus the police take thing this guy do seriously.

sharia law should be banned. end of.

I wholeheartedly agree

Sharia law is the Arabic term for a legal system based on the Koran. Saudi Arabia and Iran are examples of countries where such a system officially applies. Wearing a veil is obligatory for women and corporal punishment such as stoning is legally tolerated. Human Rights Watch reported last month that Saudi Arabia had beheaded 19 people in just 16 days in August, for convictions on charges ranging from cannabis smuggling to "sorcery."

i really don't know how i would react if a guy wearing a sharia police jacket approach me outside a club or a bar

[Army Dreamer]

The 33-year-old behind the patrols claimed that their goal was only to raise attention

To raise attention to what?

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if the german police asked for charges they probably weren't doing it in a non intimidating way, just the fact the police take them seriously is extremely suspicious, and then we have another glimpse of why the police take them seriously

so he was the head of fundamentalist group and thus the police take thing this guy do seriously.

The German police are probably taking this seriously because they're a bunch of idiots harrassing people on the street, not because of fear for a Muslim revolution followed by a German constitution based on sharia law.

[Hubbl3]

To raise attention to what?

That a non existant or irrelevant god may be or may not be pissed off because we are drinking alcohol, watch porn and gamble. They just care about our immortal souls :O

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To raise attention to what?

To spark a debate on Sharia law.

That a non existant or irrelevant god may be or may not be pissed off because we are drinking alcohol, watch porn and gamble. They just care about our immortal souls :O

Well, at least someone does, you filthy heathens!

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Imho sharia should be outlawed and everyone who try to spread it or enforce it on other by "patrolling" street should be expelled immediately from the country.

I love how you wish to ban an ideology that doesn't fit with your own, as if it were drastically different to innumerable other ideologies that would never face the hammer in a court. There is a fundamental difference between promoting Shari'a and enforcing it. Which of these are you willing to outlaw? Both?

[ParanoiD84]

They tried to pull that bullshit in the UK to.