Official 3.0 thread.

**Kelimbror** · 2014-09-29, 07:53 PM

Why is it such an issue that they are announcing the date later? They specifically said it won't impact the actual release and that they are adding something good for subscribers, which implies it will be free for everyone. Sounds pretty good to me.

**notorious98** · 2014-09-29, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kelimbror

Why is it such an issue that they are announcing the date later? They specifically said it won't impact the actual release and that they are adding something good for subscribers, which implies it will be free for everyone. Sounds pretty good to me.

I think we can all agree that we don't really care about the date, we'd just like details on what's in store for it. Any planets, any potential new systems, etc. All of which has little to nothing to do with what "good thing" they're adding for subscribers unless they're planning on withholding content that's specifically for subscribers. In that case, it seems like a bad move for a group that has done a pretty good job of turning it around.

Personally, I was looking forward to some information. While I don't think it's a big deal, there are others who look at it and go "Oh that Bioware, back up to their old tricks". It's not like they would have to do a full reveal here. They certainly didn't when they first announced they were working on Makeb.

**Gelda82** · 2014-09-29, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by notorious98

I think we can all agree that we don't really care about the date, we'd just like details on what's in store for it. Any planets, any potential new systems, etc. All of which has little to nothing to do with what "good thing" they're adding for subscribers unless they're planning on withholding content that's specifically for subscribers. In that case, it seems like a bad move for a group that has done a pretty good job of turning it around.

Personally, I was looking forward to some information. While I don't think it's a big deal, there are others who look at it and go "Oh that Bioware, back up to their old tricks". It's not like they would have to do a full reveal here. They certainly didn't when they first announced they were working on Makeb.

Good luck with that. :/

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BioWare doesn't do theatrical, elaborate reveals of anything, so for a simple announcement to be delayed, means this thing is barely holding together behind the scenes. Probably going to be as light on launch as Warlords comparitively.

**Kelimbror** · 2014-09-29, 08:41 PM

Perhaps there were some things they learned from giving that little bit of information for Makeb that are wise not to repeat? Idk. I can see why they'd wait for their little fun videos and a perk to appease subscribers before talking about it.

**notorious98** · 2014-09-29, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gelda82

BioWare doesn't do theatrical, elaborate reveals of anything, so for a simple announcement to be delayed, means this thing is barely holding together behind the scenes. Probably going to be as light on launch as Warlords comparitively.

I think that's an extreme overstatement. As for the amount of content, who knows. If it's free, then it doesn't matter. RotHC wasn't free and the only actual content you got was the new planet, the seeker droid, macrobinoculars, and one Operation. I don't choose to count the HM FPs because all of the assets already existed. It's not like they were full revamps like Deadmines or Shadowfang Keep. However, I highly doubt that it's barely being held together.

**Edge-** · 2014-09-29, 10:34 PM

I think there's far too little information to suggest that the expansion is falling apart or anything. I mean, announcements get delayed all the time.

However, I think given BioWares history of overhyping/dramatizing their announcements that they need to be very careful in how they message this out. I'm already getting vibes that they're going to overhype this and get folks super excited only to be let down either at the reveal, or once it launches.

**notorious98** · 2014-09-30, 12:53 AM

Someone on the forums thinks that they may have delayed the announcement because they haven't hammered out the "pre-order" rewards given to subscribers for the expansion. If that's the case, and the expansion can't be bought with CC, I'll be disappointed. It won't be a deal breaker for me, but it'll look like another money grab.

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Originally Posted by Edge-

However, I think given BioWares history of overhyping/dramatizing their announcements that they need to be very careful in how they message this out. I'm already getting vibes that they're going to overhype this and get folks super excited only to be let down either at the reveal, or once it launches.

Honestly, they haven't really said dick outside of "increased level cap". As long as they stick to the facts, there won't be a problem. But I fail to see how any company doesn't hype their product. Just look at Wildstar, that was hyped and people found it disappointing. ESO, the same. You're asking developers not to hype the things they are working on, but that's what they're supposed to do. It's a part of advertising. They really can't control the people who consciously over-react to these things and wind up sorely disappointed. You can only manage expectations so much. Otherwise you're sending signals that the product is shit.

Neither GSF or GSH were overhyped or dramatized. Yet you keep saying they overhype things. This isn't 2011-12 anymore.

**quras** · 2014-09-30, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by notorious98

Someone on the forums thinks that they may have delayed the announcement because they haven't hammered out the "pre-order" rewards given to subscribers for the expansion. If that's the case, and the expansion can't be bought with CC, I'll be disappointed. It won't be a deal breaker for me, but it'll look like another money grab.

I don't think I'd have a problem with another $10 expansion though. Makeb was worth $10 at the time it was released for the level boost, new gear, new raids, new area, older FP's made heroic and class changes.

Even as a non-subscribe, $20 is not bad for all that and the story, while not individually class based, was not too bad either.

I would be OK with a small price for it again. I could see why it might not be sold for CC because of the gamers that get a free amount every month. Sure your a subscriber but the game has been getting some decent free updates. For me it wouldn't be to bad if the cost was similar to Hutt expansion.

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**Edge-** · 2014-09-30, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by quras

I don't think I'd have a problem with another $10 expansion though. Makeb was worth $10 at the time it was released for the level boost, new gear, new raids, new area, older FP's made heroic and class changes.

You would be, but it would divide up the population (again), which would not be good for the longterm health of the game. The game is at its best when everyone can play together, giving folks more grouping opportunities and a more populated world.

**quras** · 2014-09-30, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Edge-

You would be, but it would divide up the population (again), which would not be good for the longterm health of the game. The game is at its best when everyone can play together, giving folks more grouping opportunities and a more populated world.

I do think you're right about about the possibility of a population divide but I'm not sold on it entirely. If the content is there, it would be worth $10 easily. Hell, they could split the difference and make it $15 for everyone to hinder that "divide" but give subscribers some nice perks to compensate for the same price fee and monthly sub their already paying.

Gamers do love in game perks but only if there good enough. Another pet or simplistic mount isn't going to do it these days.

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**Edge-** · 2014-09-30, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by quras

Gamers do love in game perks but only if there good enough. Another pet or simplistic mount isn't going to do it these days.

Which is not what BioWare is rewarding.

Look at the subscriber rewards for Starfighter and Strongholds. You had early access, you had exclusive fighters/houses, you had titles, you had a ton of bonuses and perks for being a subscriber at the launch of the expansion.

**notorious98** · 2014-10-01, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by Edge-

Which is not what BioWare is rewarding.

Look at the subscriber rewards for Starfighter and Strongholds. You had early access, you had exclusive fighters/houses, you had titles, you had a ton of bonuses and perks for being a subscriber at the launch of the expansion.

Yeah, they've definitely handed out great perks for being a subscriber during their large "expansion" updates. Maybe they give people who are subscribed by a certain date this expansion for free? Since there's no information so far it's really difficult to speculate anything beyond that.

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Originally Posted by quras

I would be OK with a small price for it again. I could see why it might not be sold for CC because of the gamers that get a free amount every month. Sure your a subscriber but the game has been getting some decent free updates. For me it wouldn't be to bad if the cost was similar to Hutt expansion.

LotRO does it and they give out Turbine points every month to subscribers. If you have enough CC to spare that you can use them to buy the expansion, it would mean either you spent a shitload of money already or you've been a subscriber for a while and have felt there is nothing worthwhile to spend your Coins on in the CM. Personally, out of the 4k+ that I've earned from subbing a month here and there and having a security key since launch, I've spent about 500 CC. That's my choice, granted, but I would gladly forgo buying anything on the CM if I could turn some of those coins in for the expansion.

**quras** · 2014-10-01, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by notorious98

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LotRO does it and they give out Turbine points every month to subscribers. If you have enough CC to spare that you can use them to buy the expansion, it would mean either you spent a shitload of money already or you've been a subscriber for a while and have felt there is nothing worthwhile to spend your Coins on in the CM. Personally, out of the 4k+ that I've earned from subbing a month here and there and having a security key since launch, I've spent about 500 CC. That's my choice, granted, but I would gladly forgo buying anything on the CM if I could turn some of those coins in for the expansion.

Don't get me wrong, I would be OK with that as well. I have about the same coins as you given our similar circumstance but if it's a similar size to the Hutts expansions, a similar price is not to bad for what it had.

But if I could spend some of the free coins and get it I'd be Ok with that.

**notorious98** · 2014-10-01, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by quras

Don't get me wrong, I would be OK with that as well. I have about the same coins as you given our similar circumstance but if it's a similar size to the Hutts expansions, a similar price is not to bad for what it had.

But if I could spend some of the free coins and get it I'd be Ok with that.

Like I said, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, it would just feel like a money grab.

**katta** · 2014-10-01, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kelimbror

Why is it such an issue that they are announcing the date later? They specifically said it won't impact the actual release and that they are adding something good for subscribers, which implies it will be free for everyone. Sounds pretty good to me.

How can you trust anything they say?

They didnt mention the delay on friday because they thought they could still get it out this month(2 days). Then when they couldnt the time has jumped to a couple of weeks?.

When has adding a sub bonus become a legit reason to delay info also? Are they trying to tell us that that will be the main feture of the expansion?

Now they say they are still sticking to releasing the expansion this year and you believe them? I guess in the last week of december they will finally anounce it is delayed.

Just keep on defending all the things they do and you will just get more of it.

**Gelda82** · 2014-10-01, 08:31 PM

Well it was considered to be a paid expansion according to the error strings data-mined out of the latest patch, but as with anything, it's still obviously subject to change(and likely, since they delayed any announcement in Sept on the subject).

I don't think it's much of a separator on the playerbase any more than other paid expansions like Warlords of Draenor or LOTRO's. Just my opinion, but the F2P base will buy in and become preferred if they like that content, twink pvp with alts, or just stop playing until it goes on sale cheap or gets implemented for free.

**notorious98** · 2014-10-01, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gelda82

Well it was considered to be a paid expansion according to the error strings data-mined out of the latest patch, but as with anything, it's still obviously subject to change(and likely, since they delayed any announcement in Sept on the subject).

I don't think it's much of a separator on the playerbase any more than other paid expansions like Warlords of Draenor or LOTRO's. Just my opinion, but the F2P base will buy in and become preferred if they like that content, twink pvp with alts, or just stop playing until it goes on sale cheap or gets implemented for free.

I think the easiest way to get around that, though, is to allow it to be bought with CC. That way F2P players can still buy it with the CC they unlock through achievements.

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