Save Net Neutrality, Don't let Companies Stick you in the Slow Lane

[Combatbutler]

wait so is net neultrality good or bad

Depends on your viewpoint to be honest.

[Wildtree]

nobody has mentioned it in UK

It got into the news here in the US some month ago.... fact of the matter, the OP didn't do his homework, since we've discussed the matter in great length already in former threads.

The point is, how the internet exponentially grows, and with that growth the cable companies have to constantly put lots of costs up to improve the net. But with the growth businesses started to offer services over the internet. Consumer behavior shifts ever more to streaming content. This in return forces the cable providers to increase their capacities, else everything would be throttled through bottleneck effect.
Now they say. FUCK THAT. You're leeching off our resources. We make you pay us for it.
The service businesses so far say FUCK YOU TOO, go to your customers that pay for your internet service.
Leads to the situation that the consumer might be the one biting the bullet.
It's something that needs resolve. Every side involved has a point. The cable companies, the service business, and the consumer too.

[ItachiZaku]

I don't mind it, i bet it would do this country good.

[Deleted]

Depends on your viewpoint to be honest.

I ask because I googled Net Neutrality in UK and found a BBC article from April announcing net neutrality in EU

[Wildtree]

This is an entirely different argument though, your original argument was worded in a way that it was not talking about lessening the effects, but rather that it would take care of theses things, once the Anarchy of the net had been removed. Of course it would lessen these attacks, but in no way would it make them disappear or stop altogether.

My original argument was a fucking quote from one of the Internet pioneers.. lol
And I added to it, that the anarchy part needs to be removed, because anarchy is bad.

[Adam Jensen]

wait so is net neultrality good or bad

What we have now is Net Neutrality.

If you go to Youtube, or Netflix or CNN.com, or whatever you want, your internet speed doesn't change due to the content you're viewing (aside from possible hardware/software differences from their end.) The telecoms don't say "oh, you're watching Netflix, we hate Netflix, it competes with our cable, we're gonna throttle that."

But they want to. And given the freedom to do so, they will.

[JohnBrown1917]

My original argument was a fucking quote from one of the Internet pioneers.. lol
And I added to it, that the anarchy part needs to be removed, because anarchy is bad.

The truly illegal shit still get removed, so i don't see how the internet is an anarchy.

[Combatbutler]

My original argument was a fucking quote from one of the Internet pioneers.. lol
And I added to it, that the anarchy part needs to be removed, because anarchy is bad.

No it doesn't, anarchy on the internet is fine because no one can actually harm anyone there.

I beg to differ...
Think viruses, think hacks, think ddos attacks, think...
There's heaps of stuff that can harm you.

This is the part I am referring to, even with Anarchy being removed such things will still happen, albeit on a more professional scale.

[Deleted]

Depends on your viewpoint to be honest.

It's good, any argument against net neutrality is based entirely on greed.

[Wildtree]

What we have now is Net Neutrality.

If you go to Youtube, or Netflix or CNN.com, or whatever you want, your internet speed doesn't change due to the content you're viewing (aside from possible hardware/software differences from their end.) The telecoms don't say "oh, you're watching Netflix, we hate Netflix, it competes with our cable, we're gonna throttle that."

But they want to. And given the freedom to do so, they will.

yes, that's the other aspect.
in the US the internet cable providers are the same companies that provide the customer with cable TV. With the shift towards streaming, the cable providers losing revenue from cable tv subscriptions. They strive for compensation either way. Either the streaming services, or the consumer has to pay more.

But there's a silver lining on the horizon...
There's an alternative that might force the cable companies into surrender on that aspect.
CenturyLink former Qwest, offers now a new service with PrismTV. That's factually TV as we know it, but entirely streamed. There's no slowing down at all, and super high speed internet, since it's all via fiber optic transfer. In addition Google wants fiber optic internet for super cheap prices established in a set amount of Metro's. It's going to force the cable companies to adjust one way or another.

[Adam Jensen]

I beg to differ...
Think viruses, think hacks, think ddos attacks, think...
There's heaps of stuff that can harm you.

1. Those are illegal
2. Those have nothing to do with Net Neutrality.

The internet is already regulated. As I said, hacking, viruses, etc, are illegal. Downloading copyrighted stuff is controversial, but illegal. Posting child porn is illegal. Selling drugs like cocaine or heroin is illegal. So there is no anarchy, not really.

Losing network neutrality is the loss of an important freedom. Where Comcast says "oh, if you want to watch Netflix without Dexter stopping to load every twenty seconds, pay us an extra $30."

Or worse, when government gets involved and starts throttling news sites they don't like. Imagine if the GOP gained power next election and decided the only news worth watching was Fox? And they make some shady deals with Comcast or Time Warner . . . Is it likely? Possibly not, but should it even be a possibility? No.

[Deleted]

I ask because I googled Net Neutrality in UK and found a BBC article from April announcing net neutrality in EU

The EU has voted to assure net neutrality already, because fuck corporate bastards.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawool...certain-terms/

How amazing the EU did something almost everyone agreed with.

[Wildtree]

This is the part I am referring to, even with Anarchy being removed such things will still happen, albeit on a more professional scale.

And that part I debunked already.. in my other post.. The crime rates via internet won't remain the same when you remove the anarchy from it. The crime rates will go down. Since the same mechanism applies there, as does irl. Anarchy always leads to higher crime rates.. No matter where..
Because... the internet is reality. It's just a technical tool. it doesn't create crime on it's own. It's committed by real people, to real people.

[Combatbutler]

It's good, any argument against net neutrality is based entirely on greed.

Which itself makes the world go round, it is good for the common people, but for a select few it is bad and it depends in which category you fall.

[Wildtree]

1. Those are illegal
2. Those have nothing to do with Net Neutrality.

The internet is already regulated. As I said, hacking, viruses, etc, are illegal. Downloading copyrighted stuff is controversial, but illegal. Posting child porn is illegal. Selling drugs like cocaine or heroin is illegal. So there is no anarchy, not really.

Losing network neutrality is the loss of an important freedom. Where Comcast says "oh, if you want to watch Netflix without Dexter stopping to load every twenty seconds, pay us an extra $30."

Or worse, when government gets involved and starts throttling news sites they don't like. Imagine if the GOP gained power next election and decided the only news worth watching was Fox? And they make some shady deals with Comcast or Time Warner . . . Is it likely? Possibly not, but should it even be a possibility? No.

I know exactly what you mean... yet still.... The courts decided, that the cable network is the sole property of the cable companies. And they decide on the terms of free market what they sell you and what not. There cannot be net neutrality without breaking the country's Free Market concept.

[Deleted]

My original argument was a fucking quote from one of the Internet pioneers.. lol
And I added to it, that the anarchy part needs to be removed, because anarchy is bad.

So we should remove the "anarchy" from movies, games, literature, and publications?

You know what anarchy is bad for? Business. You know what it's good for? Society. Because from anarchy rises order. The greatest contributions to science and culture have come from times of seeming anarchy, when the whole structure of society was questioned.

[Combatbutler]

And that part I debunked already.. in my other post.. The crime rates via internet won't remain the same when you remove the anarchy from it. The crime rates will go down. Since the same mechanism applies there, as does irl. Anarchy always leads to higher crime rates.. No matter where..
Because... the internet is reality. It's just a technical tool. it doesn't create crime on it's own. It's committed by real people, to real people.

Again this was not your original argument though, if you had said this to the other guy we wouldn't have this discussion. You worded it in a way that made it seem anarchy is the sole reason for these kinds of scam which is simply not true. They will still happen with it being removed.

[Adam Jensen]

I know exactly what you mean... yet still.... The courts decided, that the cable network is the sole property of the cable companies. And they decide on the terms of free market what they sell you and what not. There cannot be net neutrality without breaking the country's Free Market concept.

Then we break the free market concept for the better good of the people.

[Wildtree]

So we should remove the "anarchy" from movies, games, literature, and publications?

You know what anarchy is bad for? Business. You know what it's good for? Society. Because from anarchy rises order. The greatest contributions to science and culture have come from times of seeming anarchy, when the whole structure of society was questioned.

correct. anarchy leads to structure and order.
We're past that part already. We've learned we cannot have anarchy, because we've learned to eliminate anarchy...
Geesh.... Keep fighting the obvious...
Anarchy is DEAD... Anarchy is cool, died when the Sex Pistols disbanded.. Today's generation is behind the curve. Three generations before had fun with that aspect for a while.

[fartman69]

How does net neutrality work with Streaming of the illegitimate kind?