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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Dipstick View Post
    Millions is an exaggeration. Thousands more like it. And by the time the Crusaders were driven out, the Muslims said they weren't bad rulers.
    Ah. Thanks for catching the slip up.

    Still, just because you don't have bad rulers like the Romans doesn't mean they don't slaughter your people and subjugate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeno View Post
    With one extremist group gone, another surfaces. Have you read the history books? Capitalism requires customers. And weapons of death sell for a lot. It doesn't matter whether or not ISIL vanishes. We still have Al Qaeda, the Taliban, Boko Haram, and more that fancy themselves a king to sell weaponry to.

    EDIT: I'll clarify: We brainwash the masses so that it seems like we're doing good in the world with this one instance. Then we'll use it to increase our authority once again in the world and incite more rebellions just like we have been doing for the past century. Dollar Diplomacy, my friend...Dollar Diplomacy. Oh, and business. The business of America is business.
    The US needs all the good PR it can get, so doing something which is actually noble would be a damn fine starter for ten.

    Countries are just like businesses, you can get away with all sorts of dubious shit if you do something nice every now and then.

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    US wants to dominate Syria. With IS and Assad there they now have a reason to bomb both and install a pro US gov in the middle east. Kinda the same plan they had for Iraq with PNAC. It is about power and a strategic advantage in the long term plans. USA expects a conflict with China over ressources in the long run and needs big military bases in the middle east for that. This is all long term planning from US hawks.
    Atoms are liars, they make up everything!

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by xuros View Post
    SOOOO one group did it in the middle fucking ages gives the other group the right to do it today? Your logic is flawless. Gotta love it.
    The Southeast Asian "races" lived in Western Europe once. I don't have the time or patience to educate you by providing every minute example, but just like the Jews, they have been persecuted for a long ass time. Not as long, but pretty damn long. Your logic is as sweeping as your education is broad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalis View Post
    The US needs all the good PR it can get, so doing something which is actually noble would be a damn fine starter for ten.

    Countries are just like businesses, you can get away with all sorts of dubious shit if you do something nice every now and then.
    Yes. Do something noble, he says! Exterminate the force we created by giving it more weapons before we annihilate it, then create another through a proxy war! Hallelujer!

    Nothing excuses the continuation of genocide. It's just that nobody else realizes it.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeno View Post
    The Southeast Asian "races" lived in Western Europe once. I don't have the time or patience to educate you by providing every minute example, but just like the Jews, they have been persecuted for a long ass time. Not as long, but pretty damn long. Your logic is as sweeping as your education is broad.

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    Yes. Do something noble, he says! Exterminate the force we created by giving it more weapons before we annihilate it, then create another through a proxy war! Hallelujer!

    Nothing excuses the continuation of genocide. It's just that nobody else realizes it.
    Again, nothing but dribble off the finger tips of a basement dwelling man-child.

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  6. #106
    can the west just for 10 good years leave the middeleast alone, can they for just 10 years dont send their planes to bomb the shit out of our cities, can they stop supporting tyrant governments, this war isnt about stopping isis , just how the 1st war wasnt about stopping iraq from invading kuwait and jsut how the 2nd war wasn't about wmd
    " In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers"

  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by xuros View Post
    Again, nothing but dribble off the finger tips of a basement dwelling man-child.
    Had to report you man. You are just being insulting at this point. But it's nothing personal. We all have those days. Hope things get better.

  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeno View Post
    I'm not about to start the debate about the origin or definition of evil. That's almost the most subjective thing on this planet concerning all animals.

    And if you want to see evil, the Christians have done the same to Muslims in the Crusades. They slaughtered millions because the church told them that that land was the holy land. Heathens controlled it. They must wrest it from Satan's people. So this isn't anything new or thought-provoking.
    Why is there always someone bringing up the crusades? stop living in the past and move on. It's like ISIS they think the west are on a crusade against them now for dropping a few bombs, lol they need to move on and stop using the crusades as a excuse for killing people.

  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeno View Post
    Had to report you man. You are just being insulting at this point. But it's nothing personal. We all have those days. Hope things get better.
    Its ok. Reported yours long before. Hope someone turns the light on for yah!

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    Why is there always someone bringing up the crusades? stop living in the past and move on. It's like ISIS they think the west are on a crusade against them now for dropping a few bombs, lol they need to move on and stop using the crusades as a excuse for killing people.
    The same reason why we still use the "city on a hill" ideology from the 1600 Puritans to address why we are the main power in foreign affairs. Also the same reason why we use 9/11 as a carte blanche to invade Iraq and stick our nose in all the other countries to prevent Iran from doing something we might not want.

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    Why is there always someone bringing up the crusades? stop living in the past and move on. It's like ISIS they think the west are on a crusade against them now for dropping a few bombs, lol they need to move on and stop using the crusades as a excuse for killing people.
    ISIS is even killing their own that they dont consider radical enough. That group is fucked in the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeno View Post
    Yes. Do something noble, he says! Exterminate the force we created by giving it more weapons before we annihilate it, then create another through a proxy war! Hallelujer!

    Nothing excuses the continuation of genocide. It's just that nobody else realizes it.
    The West gives lots of weapons to lots of people, we don't force them to use them.

    There are certain ways of going about revolutions, and creating new states. In the case of ISIS, nobody would particularly care if they were a group trying to carve out a traditional homeland, e.g. the Kurds, but they aren't. They've managed to make other religious extremists look tame in comparison.

  13. #113
    Quote Originally Posted by habitsbreaker View Post
    can the west just for 10 good years leave the middeleast alone, can they for just 10 years dont send their planes to bomb the shit out of our cities, can they stop supporting tyrant governments, this war isnt about stopping isis , just how the 1st war wasnt about stopping iraq from invading kuwait and jsut how the 2nd war wasn't about wmd
    Actually, that's exactly what it's about. Though, your quote is from an ISIS leader, so I won't ask your opinion on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    I really wonder about your perspective here. The US has lost. It is obvious. The Taleban control 85% of the country and always have done. US Troops will be leaving soon. No amount of flag-waving can contradict that.

    This ISIS venture will likely be more of the same.

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    A lot of the militants will be people who started out as moderates and who had family members killed in previous US
    campaigns, both in Iraq and around the world. This is the attitude that created ISIS in the first place.
    Taleban? lol. Maybe don't speak about foreign affairs when you likely can't spell foreign or affairs.

    Also, that number you just pulled directly from your ass? Source it.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboozles View Post
    I doubt we see boots on the ground.

    This was made out of fear by ISIS. They're terrified of facing the United States in prolonged conflict. This is a war that ISIS cannot possibly win and are trying to do everything they can to avoid it.
    No this is exactly what they want, to spread us out so thin. These are people that view dying in a religious conflict as a good thing, its an honor to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    News to everyone who just gets information from western media, which is everyone pretty much:

    Mailiki's rape execution and torture:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/humanrights...513244683.html

    (It should be noted that ISIS was not a player in Iraq during this time. The demonstrations in question were very unusual in that were precisely the type of people opposed to sectarianism we'd always dreamed would take over in Iraq)

    Also:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-pu...ilians/5367131

    That's just the tip of the iceberg, there's ton of this stuff if you search for it.
    Thanks for the links. I tried looking under "civilian deaths in Iraq" but you can imagine what popped up. So this regime can bomb cities under the guise of fighting terrorist, but when the terrorist do come the Iraqi military is helpless? Christ..............

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by Xisa View Post
    You're referring to the Populist that signed off on the Destruction of the 4th Amendment, right? The Populist that tossed Single-Payer healthcare under the bus in favor of bailing out the Insurance industry? We're talking about the same dude, right? The President who put a former Cable Lobbyist at the Head of the FCC? The one who's Department of Justice didn't prosecute ANYONE involved in the 2008 Financial Crisis? The one who slapped HSBC with a fine of 5 weeks profit for a decade's worth of Cartel money laundering?

    I want to make sure, because I get this feeling that you've superimposed someone else overtop of our current President, and are praising him in his place. The only populist measures this President has taken are ending the decade long conflicts we were previously in (although the Military Industrial Complex is hard at work trying to rectify that), and support for Gay Marriage (which was handed to him on a silver platter, all he had to do is not fuck it up, and he still almost did that. His Vice President had to "Come out" before he did).

    I don't recall the same Presidency as you.
    The populist who passed healthcare reform, or tossed single payer under the bus in favor of a move towards bipartisanship.

    Destruction of the 4th amendment is hyperbolic crap on a stick.

    The rest of your nonsense is just that; nonsense. You seem to have a very confused view as to the role and capabilities of an actual president compared to a fictional one. You should stick to reading Jack Ryan novels. There seems to be a great many things you don't recall. We like to call them facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC17 View Post
    The populist who passed healthcare reform, or tossed single payer under the bus in favor of a move towards bipartisanship.

    Destruction of the 4th amendment is hyperbolic crap on a stick.

    The rest of your nonsense is just that; nonsense. You seem to have a very confused view as to the role and capabilities of an actual president compared to a fictional one. You should stick to reading Jack Ryan novels. There seems to be a great many things you don't recall. We like to call them facts.
    historically the residing president has been the scapegoat for everything that happens when they're in office.

    Everything that happened during the Bush presidency was his fault why does Obama get a pass?
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    Threatening to kill soldiers...isn't that rather obvious and doesn't even need stating?

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