WoD Fire Mage Guide for 6.2

[Charge me Doctor]

So, until you get 2/4p you still favor crit over mastery?

[Deleted]

Technically until then you don't play Fire but yeah, until then crit>mastery

The 20% nerf was fine in SoO actually, they should just have reverted it in november 13th.

[Charge me Doctor]

I just can't stand playing frost, so i'll keep playing fire. Also i'm quite attached to it.

[Deleted]

That's pretty admirable considering the state of the spec. Kudos if you can somehow make it work.

[tubawizard]

Attempt to tackle frost as fire with thr T16_4Set! With the help of simcraft and some raid testing.
The huge gap there is when playing Fire at the moment could be breached?!
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tilus/advanced


A) This is a result of my own gear with the T16_4Set and the optimal single target Talents, using Simcraft. DPS 20.389
http://i.imgur.com/goyc7sh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PDqQl0U.jpg

B) Also I have proper Gear for my Frost spec about 637 Ilvl., DPS 22.670
http://i.imgur.com/SUQ0rzk.jpg

C) Now I only changed the T16_4set with 4 691 gear obtainable from Mythic Highmaul Raid, DPS 20.587
http://i.imgur.com/9CfUad7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NWC6jH0.jpg

So these are intersting facts. With the last changes to Pyroblast, the t16_4Set is extremely powerfull. It even almost outpasses 4 691 gear from the new tier! Only the new T17_4Set will be powerfull enough to close the gap for good. There still is a difference in output compared to Frost, but it will get more interesting if you use Simcraft to attack multiple targets, which are more then once in the new raid, i.e. Tectus. This boss has multiple little bosses throughout the fight.

I simmed A) and B using 3 targets and the result is as expected, Fire is better with cleaving:

A) with 3 targets: DPS 31.977
B) with 3 targets: DPS 28.406

There is one mage that is ovbiously aware of this fact and tried this: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...yande/advanced
She has been also rather effective so far on a few bosses. Best example is Tectus, where she is ranked 3 overal of mages, not bad!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...dps&class=Mage

I am not saying that this is something to look out for good, but the fact that I still despice the use of frost, with all his flawes, terrible frostbolt damage, sustained DPS, unforgiving when not using PC right. But I am willing to try it out and I would be interested to see if others are interested in trying it themselves. It is still some RNG involved, but if you are somewhat lucky, your Combustion can be huge, especially on cleaving.

I will hope to see some good results in the coming raids, as I still have to learn the bosses for some to be better at positioning.

[Deleted]

Lol that's really interesting. Now i just need to convince my guild to go back to Mythic Soo xD

[Deleted]

I have all 5 M_T16 pieces still sitting in my bank fully upgraded, might mess with this over the weekend for shits and giggles.

[LocNess]

I have all 5 M_T16 pieces still sitting in my bank fully upgraded, might mess with this over the weekend for shits and giggles.

If it does become anything serious, it will be nerfed of course. You guys enjoy what you can while it lasts.

[Deleted]

It would be nice if they integrated that (or the 2/4t17) in the spec in the future (6.1 maybe?). Guaranteeing pyro crits is a great way to stabilize the spec, especially regarding Combustion.

[Deleted]

Got to run a bunch of 5-mans earlier, the damage I'm putting out is bretty gud. I'm gonna cry when they fix this.

[Zavri]

That's pretty admirable considering the state of the spec. Kudos if you can somehow make it work.

There is "making it work" its just playing an inferior spec, if his raid is fine with it then I guess it doesn't matter. Good luck doing mythic as fire though.

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Also, expect a fix on T16 when fire gets buffed tomorrow/tuesday

[Deleted]

There is one mage that is ovbiously aware of this fact and tried this: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...yande/advanced

Yep, that would be me. Thanks for writing that post about me, I feel honored and flattered, didn't really think that anyone would notice.

And yes, I will continue to play fire in mythic as well, no matter what, and will have logs uploaded. I'm so happy for the incoming fire buffs! \o/

[Deleted]

Don't have any logs handy, but I did some experimenting with it on Heroic Imperator tonight and had some pretty good results. Keep forgetting to run them, and so does everyone else lol.

[Deleted]

If it does become anything serious, it will be nerfed of course. You guys enjoy what you can while it lasts.

Then the T16 2pc bonus for feral druids has to be nerfed, too. My brother who plays feral is still using it for DPS gains.
Let's wait for the mage buffs today and see where fire will be.

[LocNess]

So just a few quick pointers and FAQS:

Is Fire Viable now?

Yes, 4P T16 or not, Fire is viable with correct gearing (aka don't have all haste and versatility)

What talents do I chose? Omg what should I dooooooo?

Refer to the guide, it is still accurate on talents as of now. Obviously things will be simmed once SimC is updated. Remember, Meteor lines up with Combustion perfectly and has Ignite attached to it.

Is it the best dps spec for Mages?

No idea, but they are significantly closer than they were, and all specs should be viable as they were in SoO.

Is Crit still a good stat?

Yes, regardless of the built in crit, we still don't have 70% like we did in SoO consistently, and thus will be good for awhile yet.

Why is Scorch so weak??

To keep our movement more balanced among others. Ignoring Hunters, movement DPS was nerfed a lot in the Alpha/Beta on purpose. We have Instant Pyroblasts and DoTs, our movement DPS is fairly good already compared to others.

[nickseng]

Is Fire Viable now?

Yes, 4P T16 or not, Fire is viable with correct gearing (aka don't have all haste and versatility)

I've been using the 4pT16 for a while now, so I'm wondering if I can finally replace them with current gear with these round of buffs. Using old tier gear feels weird for me.

[Deleted]

Is the crit showing up in game for anyone else yet? Still not seeing it.

[Schmeebs]

so... the 4 piece pvp bonus for mages.

http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=-1109

Maybe weaving in and keeping the scorch buff?

Esp with 660 Conquest gear...


I'm not good enough with simcraft to build a proper model to do it, but... it interests me.

Would probably go kinmdling as well (way too hard to weave in meteor/PC while keeping up the scorch buff

Just an idea.

[Deleted]

Is the crit showing up in game for anyone else yet? Still not seeing it.

It seems that either the buff isn't live on EU yet, or the tooltips haven't been updated. It should be up on US though.

[LocNess]

so... the 4 piece pvp bonus for mages.

http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=-1109

Maybe weaving in and keeping the scorch buff?

Esp with 660 Conquest gear...


I'm not good enough with simcraft to build a proper model to do it, but... it interests me.

Would probably go kinmdling as well (way too hard to weave in meteor/PC while keeping up the scorch buff

Just an idea.

If people want to try it and farm the gear for it, go for it and try it out. Thing is, anytime "non-primary" set bonuses are used outside their intended way Blizzard designed it (such as using previous tiers, and I will assume PvP for PvE), Blizzard will nerf it or fix it. I don't find it worth trying out, but to each their own.