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Hello,
First off, a little bit of background: I am by no means a bigot or an atheist but would rather define myself as agnostic. That being said I can't help but notice that throughout history there have been a few figures who have claimed and proved they were guided by a divine will or force. Joan of Arc is the first one that comes to mind: Born a peasant, at the age of 16 she started turning the tides of war against England. In this specific case, could it have been coincidence? Was she just an amazing commander who just happened to confuse her awe-inspiring war skills for God-given insight?
At the moment of writing this another one doesn't come to mind but I'd love to have an actual conversation/thread about this. Anybody else from history come to mind? Please bear in mind I'd like it to be strictly religious figures. No William Wallace kind of stuff, please!
Thanks for reading! Looking forward to reading the comments!
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2014-09-18, 02:58 PM #1Fluffy Kitten
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Actual Religious figures in history
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2014-09-18, 03:02 PM #2Deleted
'ickle baby jeezus
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2014-09-18, 03:02 PM #3Stood in the Fire
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I find the topic interesting, however since you just want religious figures wont that be against fórum rules, afther all "religion".
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2014-09-18, 03:04 PM #4The Insane
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Or did she have help from a different sort of other worldly source... as ancient astronaut theorists believe.
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2014-09-18, 03:05 PM #5The Undying
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetua_and_Felicity
They brought them into the arena naked to feed to the lions but the crowd booed when they saw the two were lactating. Felicity combs her hair so she'll look pretty when dead. The lions don't eat them. The guard they send in to finish the two off with a sword is shaking so badly that they have to steady his hands..
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2014-09-18, 03:05 PM #6Fluffy Kitten
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As Jesus' life has been documented but largely influenced by multiple sources, I'd like to leave him out of this.
Originally Posted by rawhammer
Please bear in mind this doesn't have to be Christian exclusive. Feel free to include Jewish, Islamic, etc figures.
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2014-09-18, 03:10 PM #7DeletedSaint Nick? ho ho ho... Originally Posted by Colmadero
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2014-09-18, 03:13 PM #8The Undying
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
Bonhoeffer was a German preacher who tried to kill Hitler. There's a good nonfiction book on him..
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2014-09-18, 03:15 PM #9Void Lord
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How about Bahá'u'lláh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h
That's about as recent as you can get, so the evidence of his actual existence must be fairly strong. I assume. Knowing almost nothing about the Bahai faith.
Afraid there is no direct evidence of his existence, the earliest reference to him is from Josephus and was written almost a century after his death. Originally Posted by rawhammer
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2014-09-18, 03:17 PM #10The Undying
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Well, there's Tacitus. A Roman historian. He mentions the Christians.
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2014-09-18, 03:18 PM #11Deleted
Joan of Arc was a crazy girl that became a symbol for the french because of her claims to be speaking to God, in a time where 100% of people were brainwashed. She didn't do it alone, though. Political groups saw her as something the demoralized french could rally around and overthrow the british invaders. I doubt she had any active role in the battles other than carrying a banner around, as these are likely embelished stories to make her look more superhuman.
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2014-09-18, 03:20 PM #12Titan
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Which could probably be said for every religious figure that actually existed. They didn't exactly have the ability to dredge up her sordid Twitter history. Originally Posted by Rhaeven
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2014-09-18, 03:23 PM #13The Undying
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PBS Frontline did a special on early Christians. It's filled with historians and stuff. Most historians agree that there was a historical Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZPKCDOeyMg.
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2014-09-18, 03:25 PM #14Epic!
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You could say that about all historical figures, what we know of them now is purely what someone wanted us to know; doesn't matter good. bad. true or false. Originally Posted by s_bushido
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2014-09-18, 03:41 PM #15DeletedI've heard the name Jezus Christ was derived from general Julius Ceasar, since the Romans kinda made Christianity as an alternative for bread and games because Christianity was very popular with the poor classes: "Be good citizens, work hard and die in the name of Rome and you'll be rewarded when you're dead." its something the old Roman religions didn't have and they where kinda known for taking the best out of every religion. Originally Posted by Dipstick
Also a lot of historians believe that Jezus could have been multiple people.
Anyway, I find such a theory much more appealing then believing that 2000 years ago some Jewish dude was walking around telling people not to be dicks to each other.Last edited by mmoc013aca8632; 2014-09-18 at 03:43 PM.
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2014-09-18, 03:42 PM #16The Undying
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Don't troll me bro. I haven't had my coffee yet. Originally Posted by JfmC
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2014-09-18, 03:52 PM #17DeletedI'm not trolling, I've heard multiple theories that Jezus might have not existed at all, because they only started mentioning his name long after he died. They've also never found Roman documents of that time that mention him, wich is suspicious, since they wanted him dead according to the stories. Originally Posted by Dipstick
For example, we know Muhammed existed, because the dude conquered huge areas of land and stuff.
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Father Kilian Dreiling
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My Mother knew him and I actually had the pleasure of meeting this former Army Chaplain and WWII Vet. He was able to bring The Beast of Dachau (Ilse Koch) to tears and confess her sins.
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Joan of Arc's divine help didn't stop us from roasting her.
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2014-09-18, 04:23 PM #20DeletedTrue because she didn't have any divine help at all. But it sure felt good burning the other team's mascot. Originally Posted by Kalis
