the Weakness of modern Western civilization

[Kalis]

There is nothing wrong with growing a population through immigration. I have a HUGE problem MAINTAINING a population through immigration.

Well that's the problem when not enough people are taking advantage of the social programmes designed to help them raise families. You shouldn't want to be cutting them, you want to find a way to get people to use them.

[Independent voter]

The religious will continue to have big families. The non-religious types will continue to shrink, being replaced by people from foreign lands.

Well be a nation of crazy religious types and confused foreigners.

[Kalis]

Well be a nation of crazy religious types and confused foreigners.

Must. Resist. Obvious. Joke.

[jugzilla]

Well that's the problem when not enough people are taking advantage of the social programmes designed to help them raise families. You shouldn't want to be cutting them, you want to find a way to get people to use them.

Where do you cut the line between assistance, and generational welfare? That is a problem here in the states, and we spend a fraction of the money on public welfare than you do.

[Kalis]

Where do you cut the line between assistance, and generational welfare? That is a problem here in the states, and we spend a fraction of the money on public welfare than you do.

What has that got to do with birthrates?

[Deleted]

I direct you to Collapse by Jared Diamond, he sources everything conveniently.

Any rise of birth rates in western nation is mostly due to immigrants. Some people in Europe will become a minority in their own countries in a few decades such as the Netherlands.

[jugzilla]

What has that got to do with birthrates?

From you seeming to say that the UK's birthrates would be better if people knew how much shit they could get for free:

Well that's the problem when not enough people are taking advantage of the social programmes designed to help them raise families. You shouldn't want to be cutting them, you want to find a way to get people to use them.

There is one demographic that knows how to take advantage of those generous programs you have. And it isn't British nationals, obviously otherwise you would have better birthrate numbers. Jeer all you want, it's your country that your literally paying people to invade.

[Feel The Power]

I blame the abundance of easily accessible internet porn*. Maybe I'd have some babies by now if I had to search for actual ladies in real life to be pleasured by instead of just being able to click a few buttons and see some cleavage. I can even look at pregnant women porn and pretend they are pregnant with my children!



*no, I don't actually believe this

[Independent voter]

I blame the abundance of easily accessible internet porn*. Maybe I'd have some babies by now if I had to search for actual ladies in real life to be pleasured by instead of just being able to click a few buttons and see some cleavage. I can even look at pregnant women porn and pretend they are pregnant with my children!



*no, I don't actually believe this

You can foresee the day when they have sexbots and good virtual reality and porn will be so good people will give up the opposite sex and there will be a huge population crash.

All that will be left is religious groups like the Amish.

[MatadorMedia]

People used to have lots of children because some of them would die and the others could help by working on the land / farm. Now, in western civilization most children survive and economically are a burden instead of an advantage.

[Kalis]

From you seeming to say that the UK's birthrates would be better if people knew how much shit they could get for free:


There is one demographic that knows how to take advantage of those generous programs you have. And it isn't British nationals, obviously otherwise you would have better birthrate numbers. Jeer all you want, it's your country that your literally paying people to invade.

British people know what they can get, they don't take advantage of it. To be fair, the Middle and Upper classes don't take advantage of it, who are generally the ones you want to be using the system, whereas the Lower classes are using the system.

We're not being invaded by anybody. Stop reading the Daily Mail.

[Jackmoves]

I think you mean to say, but don't want to say, the countries that allow the most Muslim immigrants enjoy the highest birthrates. What's the most popular newborn boy's name in the UK right now out of curiosity?

Or you know, support systems(the stuff you don't like) that makes it easier for women to have children and still remain relevant on the labour market if they take a year or two off from work to stay at home with the kids/have a career. I don't know about all countries but mothers have it good here, an employer can't fire them... and they get, if thats what they choose, 480 days of paid parental leave(two months of those are ear marked for fathers though and can't be utilized by the mothers). Foreign born women here have 2.2 children on average, native born women have 1.8. There are pretty large differences between women born in for example Iran and Somalia, both muslim dominated countries btw so I doubt religion is the cause.

[Haven]

Having no human rights and no concern for the environment is China's 'strength'...

It wont last.

On the contrary, these two are side-effects of being an industrious country with cheap labor - something that Western world needs to go on existing in order to survive themselves. Hence, it will last. The top of the pyramid needs a foundation to stand on.

[Frogguh]

The biggest problem for western civilization is religions in our politics and greed

You boo-hooing over religion does not mean religion is actually a problem to well-balanced and reasonable people. The only religion that is actually a problem to Western civilization is radical Islam, which is not exactly an integrated part of Western civilization. Yet.

[NuLogic]

People value careers more and kids are so darn expensive in developed places. Why have sex when there is internet porn?!