Using evo 212 on my desktop 2500k@4.5 for 3 years now. I live in a tropical country, and the computer is placed in a home office, closed cabinet with NO air conditioning. Although i had to replace the push pull fan with noctua p12s last year.
Last edited by Yizu; 2014-09-30 at 01:01 AM.
I'd consider the Silverstone Argon, Be Quiet Shadow Rock and possibly the Raijintek Themis Evo better coolers than the CM 212 at a similar price point.
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Its good in its price range but it never was the big dog, as prices go up so do quality and performance, products like the noctua d15/u14s are competitors for the number one spot.
I wouldn't buy anything from Noctua, the quality is there but so is the over pricing. I bought a 140MM Noctua fan for 30$ and then got a 140MM Cougar fan for 15$, both have fancy technology integrated in them to move air in a more cylindrical cone and are dead silent and come with different cables for different RPMs and all that.
If you want to show off saying "I have Noctua" go ahead, otherwise find cheaper variants, it's just not worth the overprice. Read reviews beforehand of course to make sure long term quality is there as well.
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Running hotter = shortening the life span of your parts + increasing the temps inside your case (affecting the rest of your parts). If you can run 15-30c cooler, why wouldn't you? That's well worth it, especially for people running at stock speeds who will potentially use the same PC for years (half a decade or more).
Stock coolers are fine when you're on a budget and using lower end CPUs. But if you're buying the fastest i5 that just came out, you want a better cooler than the stock one for obvious reasons. They don't have a better one for the i5 4690k, and a basic one for the i5 4430. They use the same cooler for both, which means your 4690k is going to run at higher temps than the 4430. That might be fine for web browsing and watching movies (why would you buy a 4690k for that?), but for someone looking to play games and push that CPU towards it's stock limits, the cooler that comes with it will not be adequate.
You want your silicone to last as long as possible, especially when you're paying $240 for it. That's why you buy a better cooler.
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Well, seeing as Intel and AMD both design their chips to last 10-12 years AND to be running well under specifications when they set the thermal trip.. I would say thermal really isn't an issue except for affecting performance. Stock is perfectly fine as long as it is installed properly and you don't assume you can overclock on it (aka stock clocks). They design the heatsink to keep their CPU within a specified range of temperatures that they feel are safe. Silicon takes quite a bit of thermal energy to begin any form of breaking down (hooray for being a materials engineer!) and I can guarantee that even if your CPU was overheating for a year straight it would still last 10 years.
Short version: Intel and AMD set their thermal trips well before any major damage could ever be sustained.
Last edited by Saithes; 2014-10-01 at 08:28 AM.
Considering the thermal limits of a CPU, it's entirely possible to hit those with a stock cooler right out of the box, damaging or even killing said CPU.Originally Posted by fixx
35 or 40 years? Do you even Thermal Limit?
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What the hell are you talking about? Current generation Intel processors will do forced shutdown of the system when it reaches 95C and AMD processors at around 75C. It's not possible to burn down the chips with straight overheating unless you manage to break or disable temperature sensors on both CPU and motherboard at the same time. First thing that gives on silicon chips from overheating are the solder joints, and those require about 185C to melt away.
Reckless overvolting is pretty much the only way to lower modern silicon chips' life expectancy below few decades while still keeping it operational.
Last edited by fixx; 2014-10-01 at 09:28 PM.
Wellll, I can give you screenshots of my 4770K being at 97-99°C core temperatures as reported as by a third-party app. I think it's reasonably within the scope of possibility that my CPU has reached ~95°C by then.
That said, I'd be very surprised if this would be the reason it doesn't tick 15 years from now. Issues surrounding it is more likely, like wearing out memory controller or the VRM. Which is, indeed, linked to overclocking.
But heat stress in and of itself? Doubtful.