Simulationcraft results for WoD

[Drub]

I am currently sub and using a mythic WF and socketed Rivet-Studded Leggings. Shadowcraft is showing it better than Empowered Demonskin Kilt, I assume I should trust it to be true?

[maddnesskhaz]

I am currently sub and using a mythic WF and socketed Rivet-Studded Leggings. Shadowcraft is showing it better than Empowered Demonskin Kilt, I assume I should trust it to be true?

Run your char through simcraft and double check if you like, grab the simcraft addon off curse to quickly export a a char / spec / gearset and run it through.

[Osetian]

Is it just me or is Shadowcraft bugged when it comes to trinket DPS list? I refuse to believe that the situation presented on the picture below is accurate. I was and I'm still under the impression that Class Trinket + Soul Cap for ST and Class Trinket + Mirror were the best trinket combos out there for our Sub rogues.


Normal Toxin > Mythic trinket dung? The loss of ~350 agi stings like a motherfucker. Is normal toxin + cap better than cap + mythic dung?


Quo Vadis, Shadowcraft?

thats it wrong imo

btw mythic WF toxin > Mythic Cap as combat..

[Eazy]

I have problems with items, not sure if:
Portal Key Signet or Pit-Extracted Stone Signet
Oppressor's Merciless Treads or Toxicologist's Treated Boots
For Assassination Rogue.

I heard that ShadowCraft is no longer working properly and I don't really know what should I do with them...

[maddnesskhaz]

I have problems with items, not sure if:
Portal Key Signet or Pit-Extracted Stone Signet
Oppressor's Merciless Treads or Toxicologist's Treated Boots
For Assassination Rogue.

I heard that ShadowCraft is no longer working properly and I don't really know what should I do with them...

Sim Char or Add stat weights to Pawn (or other addon of your choosing) and that should cover it.

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How big of a difference does an opener make when you go at it like this?

Vanish -> Shadow Reflection -> 5cp Rupture -> SD done manually vs a macro which just pops everything, then you 5cp rupture and spam ambush?

There will for sure be a difference, you might lose like a second of the first SD that way, but how huge would that be?

Casting Rupture twice certainly will decrease things!

You manually use Dance after the opener macro anyway, it's not so much the extra 0.5s you save as it is just simpler and less prone to human error to have the opener sequence in a macro; Pot + Vanish (First Macro Push) > SR + Rupture (Second Macro Push) > Dance > Ambush etc...

[Nastynelbur]

Why would you want to waste the first GCD of dance on rupture?

[InfernalDark]

I have problems with items, not sure if:
Portal Key Signet or Pit-Extracted Stone Signet
Oppressor's Merciless Treads or Toxicologist's Treated Boots
For Assassination Rogue.

You can find bis list from the first page.

[Daexther]

First of all :
Why not wait the vanish's end engagement to SD ? We can cast 2 or 3 Embush between the vanish - SR- Rupture engagement. Is it worth it to do it ?

and other question :
Why people don't use the trinket swapping before the pull to have the Socrethar proc absorbind the Legendary ring proc ?

last one :
Is there a Multistrike "cap" ? I'm going banana when MS destroy my Rupture timer. I'm currently running 3456 MS in raid at 741.50 ilvl.

[elfporn]

First of all :
Why not wait the vanish's end engagement to SD ? We can cast 2 or 3 Embush between the vanish - SR- Rupture engagement. Is it worth it to do it ?

and other question :
Why people don't use the trinket swapping before the pull to have the Socrethar proc absorbind the Legendary ring proc ?

last one :
Is there a Multistrike "cap" ? I'm going banana when MS destroy my Rupture timer. I'm currently running 3456 MS in raid at 741.50 ilvl.

1. Because of the 10second 30% dmg buff from vanish (and master of sub) coupled with the reduced energy cost of ambush during SD means you can fit more ambushes for cheaper into that high-damage 10 second window. Soulcap (30%) and ring(44%) are also active during this 10second window.

2. Because of the above(damage buff stacking). And if you get a double proc from the soulcap your dmg (assuming bloodlust) can rocket up around 10-12mil+ in those first 20 seconds.

3. Multistrike's value does decrease relative to your other stats the more you have, however there is no hard cap, AFAIK over 100% just adds to a chance for another attack, though i could be wrong.

[PessimiStick]

AFAIK over 100% just adds to a chance for another attack, though i could be wrong.

No one is getting over 100%, lol. That's over 6k MS.

[Deleted]

I hit over 100% during 6.1, you do not get more than 2 chances

[Dmh]

Hey everyone,
i have a question about Hfc bis list and stuffs ,
- what's better between Socket or WF ? i ask my self for every item (exept Weapons and BladeMaster trinket), a talk about items like Archi Neck who have bis stats and for others items like Soulcap Socket VS Soulcap WF.

- When iLvl begin to be better than stats, i ask my self for items like feets Trash drop with nothing VS Velhary feets Socket or Killrog feets Socket ?

- At last always the same question, Always looking for more MS or looking for better iLvl exemple : Zakun Wrists Socket VS Killrog Wrists.

Thx, and sorry for my english

[Kelato]

Hello everyone,
I have started to play rogue a bit more seriously and simmed my char yesterday. The stat values I got for Sub there were a bit surprising for me:
Multi>=Haste>>>Crit=Vers>>>>>>>Mastery. From what I read thus far I expected Haste to be the worst stat with Mastery being second. Anyone else got similar results?
Itemlvl 726

[cowbear]

afaik its mult>crit>vers>mastery>haste but simc may have extra haste value for some other reason killtimes and ur current haste makes stuff change if u add 100 more haste maybe haste will drop below the rest and also haste aint half bad since u play combat in some fights thus u can itemize for mult+ other stat but haste mult items aint bad at all

[wavefunctionp]

This should be unstickied now that prepatch is here.

[Disinvolto]

This should be unstickied now that prepatch is here.

This please. Would love some updated Sims to replace the WoD stuff.

[Coldkil]

I sent a PM to OP for the Unstick. I would prefer to have an official Legion Simulationcraft to stick before taking this out anyway.

EDIT: unstuck.

[Ryme]

Was a blast guys, sorry I couldn't keep it up right to the end. Best of luck in Legion!