[6.0 Guide] Fury - "I just spent 10 seconds mastering Arms, now what?"

[Deleted]

Thanks guys, like I say it's the first time I'm going to be raiding as SMF.

Should I also put my better weapon into the OH?

[Firebert]

Should I also put my better weapon into the OH?

Depends on talents taken; Furious Strikes, yes.

[Deleted]

I've been using sudden death and experimented with furious strikes in raid but found my DPS better with SD, though I'm aware of the RNG aspects.

[FobManX]

I've been using sudden death and experimented with furious strikes in raid but found my DPS better with SD, though I'm aware of the RNG aspects.

Yeah I simmed higher with stronger weapon in OH and FS but my DPS was less than before. Plus I prefer the SD playstyle. Can't stand spamming.

[ItsLaw]

Is there a critical strike rating/percentage that will allow Mastery to overtake Multistrike as our second stat for single target? I'm just assuming mastery scales better than multistrike with crit.

[Deleted]

With my gear i am siting on 22% unbufed crit and my mastery is equal to multy - 0.6, crit is wort 0.55, but i still shooting for crit/multy items because i play Arms for 4 from 7 fights in Highmaul

[bgwilly31]

So 2/7M warr here. A question regarding the use of fury in fights such as twins and brackenspore. I should be following my normal rotation, yet when RB procs, sinking rage into whirlwinding once to meat cleaver, and then RB'ing? So just preface each RB with WW?

Thanks so much

On two target yes.

[Deleted]

I hope to God that neither Furious Strikes nor Unquenchable Thirst will start pulling ahead significantly of Sudden Death one day. Both of those talents make the rotation really obnoxious.

[vidas]

I'm sure SD is better on a relatively long fight. We're working on butcher right now, which is a ~4 minute fight. Sims put FS and SD very close in this situation and the execute phase is pretty short with some movement. I believe FS might be superior but I just don't know for certain. Do I need to sim the raid? Also I'm not sure if running scabbard/avatar have any effect on this with modifiers and what not.

[Kirbynator]

avatar_lol

[vidas]

Why wouldn't you run it on butcher?

[Warriorsarri]

On Butcher you want Avatar, and SD is superior to the other two talents in all scenarios. Unless there's like a 100 i-lvl difference between your weapons SD will be the best choice in every situation.

[Deleted]

Why Avatar? For the increased damage during the execute phase?

[Deleted]

are you supposed to do same single target dps as arms and fury when arms has 670 weapon and fury 670mh+646oh? I must admit Im kinda shocked by my fury numbers.. (like 25k, if even, on butcher with 660 ilvl)

[Deleted]

On Butcher you want Avatar, and SD is superior to the other two talents in all scenarios. Unless there's like a 100 i-lvl difference between your weapons SD will be the best choice in every situation.

was wondering what about avatar for the first boss too?

[Warriorsarri]

No clue, I haven't touched Fury this expansion, it's just such a bad spec, and it's worse than either of the two specs on all fights in Highmaul on Mythic.

[Kirbynator]

it's really not

[CollisionTD]

I'm sure SD is better on a relatively long fight. We're working on butcher right now, which is a ~4 minute fight. Sims put FS and SD very close in this situation and the execute phase is pretty short with some movement. I believe FS might be superior but I just don't know for certain. Do I need to sim the raid? Also I'm not sure if running scabbard/avatar have any effect on this with modifiers and what not.

Avatar is realllllllly close to bloodbath at the moment for general use, the removal of colossus smash for Fury means that damage is more spread out, which helps it out quite a bit. Mythic Butcher is a perfect case for Avatar, the fight lasts long enough to get 2 avatars in, but not 5 bloodbaths, execute phase lines up perfectly with the 2nd avatar, and when combined with Scabbard's on-use, Avatar is actually better than Bloodbath on that encounter.

So, on Mythic Butcher, use Avatar/Scabbard/Ravager/Sudden Death. I originally thought that Anger management might be a smart choice, but I thought that mythic's enrage was 5 minutes when I suggested that. Four minute enrage is just short enough that AM will not allow for a 3rd recklessness, especially if you attempt to line up reck with trinkets.

The RNG on Sudden Death is admittedly a bit frustrating, especially if your group is wiping <60 seconds. However, on a full-duration butcher kill the rng will have enough time to average out, and it will be the better choice for nearly everyone. If you're particularly concerned with the RNG, go Furious Strikes and put your higher ilevel weapon in the offhand, it will be very damn close to SD.

There's an easy way to simulate a raid, just type in raid_t17p.simc

Also, here's an example of how I do Butcher simulations for my character. Unfortunately, the default action list for Fury needs to be tweaked for Scabbard, as while the generic 'use scabbard on cd' line is about the best I can do for default, it needs a little assistance to assure it lines up with execute here. I bolded the line that I changed.

Normally, instead of importing my character, I would just type in
armory=us,malganis,collision

warrior="Collision_Active"
origin="http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/malganis/Collision/advanced"
thumbnail="http://us.battle.net/static-render/us/internal-record-3684/116/119733620-avatar.jpg"
level=100
race=tauren
role=attack
position=back
professions=engineering=700/enchanting=700
talents=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#ZZ!1012221
glyphs=bloodthirst/unending_rage/enraged_speed/subtle_defender/crow_feast/blazing_trail
spec=fury


# This default action priority list is automatically created based on your character.
# It is a attempt to provide you with a action list that is both simple and practicable,
# while resulting in a meaningful and good simulation. It may not result in the absolutely highest possible dps.
# Feel free to edit, adapt and improve it to your own needs.
# SimulationCraft is always looking for updates and improvements to the default action lists.


# Executed before combat begins. Accepts non-harmful actions only.


actions.precombat=flask,type=greater_draenic_strength_flask
actions.precombat+=/food,type=blackrock_barbecue
# 
talent_override=bladestorm,if=raid_event.adds.count>=1|desired_targets>1|(raid_event.adds.duration<10&raid_event.adds.exists)
talent_override=dragon_roar,if=raid_event.adds.count>=1|desired_targets>1
talent_override=ravager,if=raid_event.adds.count>=1|desired_targets>1
actions.precombat+=/stance,choose=battle
# Snapshot raid buffed stats before combat begins and pre-potting is done.
# Generic on-use trinket line if needed when swapping trinkets out. 
#actions+=/use_item,slot=trinket1,if=active_enemies=1&(buff.bloodbath.up|(!talent.bloodbath.enabled&(buff.avatar.up|!talent.avatar.enabled)))|(active_enemies>=2&buff.ravager.up)
actions.precombat+=/snapshot_stats
actions.precombat+=/potion,name=draenic_strength


# Executed every time the actor is available.


actions=charge
actions+=/auto_attack
# This is mostly to prevent cooldowns from being accidentally used during movement.
actions+=/call_action_list,name=movement,if=movement.distance>5
actions+=/berserker_rage,if=buff.enrage.down|(talent.unquenchable_thirst.enabled&buff.raging_blow.down)
actions+=/heroic_leap,if=(raid_event.movement.distance>25&raid_event.movement.in>45)|!raid_event.movement.exists


actions+=/use_item,name=scabbard_of_kyanos,if=target.time_to_die>105|buff.recklessness.up


actions+=/potion,name=draenic_strength,if=(target.health.pct<20&buff.recklessness.up)|target.time_to_die<=25
# Skip cooldown usage if we can line them up with bladestorm on a large set of adds, or if movement is coming soon.
actions+=/call_action_list,name=single_target,if=(raid_event.adds.cooldown<60&raid_event.adds.count>2&active_enemies=1)|raid_event.movement.cooldown<5
# This incredibly long line (Due to differing talent choices) says 'Use recklessness on cooldown, unless the boss will die before the ability is usable again, and then use it with execute.'
actions+=/recklessness,if=((target.time_to_die>190|target.health.pct<20)&(buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled))|target.time_to_die<=12|talent.anger_management.enabled
actions+=/avatar,if=(buff.recklessness.up|target.time_to_die<=30)
actions+=/blood_fury,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled|buff.recklessness.up
actions+=/berserking,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled|buff.recklessness.up
actions+=/arcane_torrent,if=rage<rage.max-40
actions+=/call_action_list,name=single_target,if=active_enemies=1
actions+=/call_action_list,name=two_targets,if=active_enemies=2
actions+=/call_action_list,name=three_targets,if=active_enemies=3
actions+=/call_action_list,name=aoe,if=active_enemies>3


actions.movement=heroic_leap
actions.movement+=/use_item,name=ashelias_adorned_waistguard,if=movement.distance>90
# May as well throw storm bolt if we can.
actions.movement+=/storm_bolt
actions.movement+=/heroic_throw


actions.single_target=bloodbath
actions.single_target+=/recklessness,if=target.health.pct<20&raid_event.adds.exists
actions.single_target+=/wild_strike,if=rage>110&target.health.pct>20
actions.single_target+=/bloodthirst,if=(!talent.unquenchable_thirst.enabled&rage<80)|buff.enrage.down
actions.single_target+=/ravager,if=buff.bloodbath.up|(!talent.bloodbath.enabled&(!raid_event.adds.exists|raid_event.adds.cooldown>60|target.time_to_die<40))
actions.single_target+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.react
actions.single_target+=/siegebreaker
actions.single_target+=/storm_bolt
actions.single_target+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up
actions.single_target+=/execute,if=buff.enrage.up|target.time_to_die<12
actions.single_target+=/dragon_roar,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.single_target+=/raging_blow
actions.single_target+=/wild_strike,if=buff.enrage.up&target.health.pct>20
actions.single_target+=/bladestorm,if=!raid_event.adds.exists
actions.single_target+=/shockwave,if=!talent.unquenchable_thirst.enabled
actions.single_target+=/impending_victory,if=!talent.unquenchable_thirst.enabled&target.health.pct>20
actions.single_target+=/bloodthirst


actions.two_targets=bloodbath
actions.two_targets+=/ravager,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.two_targets+=/dragon_roar,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.two_targets+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up
actions.two_targets+=/bloodthirst,if=buff.enrage.down|rage<50|buff.raging_blow.down
actions.two_targets+=/execute,target=2
actions.two_targets+=/execute,if=target.health.pct<20|buff.sudden_death.react
actions.two_targets+=/raging_blow,if=buff.meat_cleaver.up
actions.two_targets+=/whirlwind,if=!buff.meat_cleaver.up
actions.two_targets+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up&rage>75
actions.two_targets+=/bloodthirst
actions.two_targets+=/whirlwind,if=rage>rage.max-20
actions.two_targets+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up


actions.three_targets=bloodbath
actions.three_targets+=/ravager,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.three_targets+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up
actions.three_targets+=/bloodthirst,if=buff.enrage.down|rage<50|buff.raging_blow.down
actions.three_targets+=/raging_blow,if=buff.meat_cleaver.stack>=2
actions.three_targets+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.react
actions.three_targets+=/execute,target=2
actions.three_targets+=/execute,target=3
actions.three_targets+=/dragon_roar,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.three_targets+=/whirlwind
actions.three_targets+=/bloodthirst
actions.three_targets+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up


actions.aoe=bloodbath
actions.aoe+=/ravager,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.aoe+=/raging_blow,if=buff.meat_cleaver.stack>=3&buff.enrage.up
actions.aoe+=/bloodthirst,if=buff.enrage.down|rage<50|buff.raging_blow.down
actions.aoe+=/raging_blow,if=buff.meat_cleaver.stack>=3
actions.aoe+=/recklessness,sync=bladestorm
actions.aoe+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.remains>6
actions.aoe+=/whirlwind
actions.aoe+=/execute,if=buff.sudden_death.react
actions.aoe+=/dragon_roar,if=buff.bloodbath.up|!talent.bloodbath.enabled
actions.aoe+=/bloodthirst
actions.aoe+=/wild_strike,if=buff.bloodsurge.up


head=casque_of_the_iron_bomber,id=113600,bonus_id=564/566,gems=50crit
neck=gorget_of_primal_might,id=118846,enchant=75crit
shoulders=uncrushable_shoulderplates,id=113855,bonus_id=566
back=milenahs_intricate_cloak,id=119345,bonus_id=567,enchant=gift_of_critical_strike
chest=chestplate_of_arcane_volatility,id=113831,bonus_id=566
shirt=precious_ribbon,id=52019
wrists=bracers_of_mirrored_flame,id=113844,bonus_id=42/566
hands=gauntlets_of_the_heavy_hand,id=113632,bonus_id=566
waist=ashelias_adorned_waistguard,id=118888,addon=nitro_boosts
legs=truesteel_greaves,id=114234,bonus_id=75/525/533
feet=mosscrusher_sabatons,id=113660,bonus_id=562/567
finger1=timeless_solium_band_of_brutality,id=118295,enchant=50crit
finger2=grunts_rusty_ring,id=116282,enchant=50crit
trinket1=tectus_beating_heart,id=113645,bonus_id=566
trinket2=scabbard_of_kyanos,id=118882
main_hand=gorgah_high_blade_of_the_gorians,id=113848,bonus_id=566,enchant=mark_of_the_thunderlord
off_hand=gorgah_high_blade_of_the_gorians,id=113848,enchant=mark_of_the_thunderlord


# Gear Summary
# gear_strength=2804
# gear_stamina=3836
# gear_crit_rating=1285
# gear_haste_rating=555
# gear_mastery_rating=435
# gear_armor=2077
# gear_multistrike_rating=488
# gear_versatility_rating=899
# gear_speed_rating=78


talent_override=avatar
copy=bloodbath
talent_override=bloodbath
copy=furious_strikes
talent_override=avatar
talent_override=furious_strikes
copy=AM/FS
talent_override=anger_management
copy=AM
talent_override=sudden_death
raid_t17p.simc
max_time=255
vary_combat_length=0
iterations=10000

The code without the spammy profile

armory=us,malganis,collision
talent_override=avatar
copy=bloodbath
talent_override=bloodbath
copy=furious_strikes
talent_override=avatar
talent_override=furious_strikes
copy=AM/FS
talent_override=anger_management
copy=AM
talent_override=sudden_death
raid_t17p.simc
max_time=255
vary_combat_length=0
iterations=10000

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No clue, I haven't touched Fury this expansion, it's just such a bad spec, and it's worse than either of the two specs on all fights in Highmaul on Mythic.

Sarri is a Fury hater, don't mind him. He actually likes arms. :P

(He will say the same thing about me with the words "arms" and "fury" swapped.)

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Just wondering, now that it's been another raid week since then and there are new parses up, if this was still accurate. I looked at some of the current top parses and from what I could tell it seemed like:

Kargath: Fury
Butcher: Fury
Tectus: Arms
Brackenspore: Arms
Twin Ogron: Arms
Ko'ragh: Fury I think but it seems close to arms on this one.
Imperator Mar'gok: Absolutely no idea honestly.

Some insight would be appreciated.

IMO, Tectus is a Fury/Arms toss up, otherwise I agree. I haven't watched any mythic imperator videos yet, so I don't know. It will likely depend on raid comp/strategy based on what I've heard about it.

[Warriorsarri]

Sarri is a Fury hater, don't mind him. He actually likes arms. :P

(He will say the same thing about me with the words "arms" and "fury" swapped.)

God no, Arms is awful, it's just that Fury is even worse, and it's not as OP in certain scenarios, where as Arms can be used in so many different ways to maximize your potential.

Regarding Mar'gok. What you spec on this fight will depend on what you're brought for. On our kill my fellow warrior and I both went Arms, as we where on heavy AoE duty, killing the adds in P1-3 and then cleave the adds in P4 when needed. If we would have had enough AoE I would have gone Glad, as it has the highest survivability, it has real nice "semi-passive" cleave with Deep Wounds spreading, and its 2 target cleave is higher than Furys.

[Deleted]

Does anyone know how much better the trinket from Tectus (mythic) is compared to the one from Brackenspore (normal)?