How much do you respect veterans and why?

[Deleted]

My country, Finland, would have ended up as another Eastern Block Soviet State if our grandfathers hadn't fought hard against Stalin's massive Red Army hordes. Instead their struggle and sacrifices ensured that our nation remained free and independent: Finland was - along with Britain - the only warfaring European country in WW2 that was never occupied.

So, our veterans deserve the highest respect.

Leftists naturally loathe them for the very same reason I respect them.

[Elegiac]

What is an RNC debate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republi...nal_Convention

[drwelfare]

I try to treat them better than most, also depends on the person.

Today I did work for someone who is a retired LT General, I gave him more of a break than normal, heard some of his stories about things and he had an impressive collection of things.

[Kellhound]

Most vets I treat as comrades, those few who have a CMH are the only people who command my respect without knowing anything else about them.

[Deleted]

Eh.. I respect people who have been there and are humble, I love hearing stories without the bravado and bullshit. I can't stand people who use it as some sort of "I'm better than everyone else" thing and can't shut the fuck about themselves for 5 minutes when they worked at a desk or something.

I suppose I would say I respect combatants for the fact that it's a really hard job, more than I respect people who think just because they delivered the post in an army uniform, they're the next best thing since sliced bread.

I'm definitely not nice enough to be one of these people who grovels at the feet of a military/ex-military person either way.

[Sam the Wiser]

Zero respect.

[Raeph]

Just out of curiosity since I've been seeing a lot of internet news articles about disrespected veterans. I personally am kinda apathetic about it either way. So for those of you that feel strongly about it, why do you think veterans deserve more respect? Or maybe even why not if you feel differently.

I respect the respectable ones, and ignore the ones that aren't. In other words I treat them like any other person. Just because you were a member of the armed forces doesn't automatically give you some greater status than anyone else.

The way you carry yourself, use your authority and handle your responsibilities is much more important to me than if someone volunteered for military service.

[Deleted]

I don't care if you are an army general, a doctor, fireman, policeman, binman or a teacher, w/e if you do your job right then that is all that matters. You should not pick a job for the sole purpose of seeking adulation, do that and you get - points from me

[Jermain]

I have no respect for murderers, no matter they clothes they wear.

[Deleted]

My country, Finland, would have ended up as another Eastern Block Soviet State if our grandfathers hadn't fought hard against Stalin's massive Red Army hordes. Instead their struggle and sacrifices ensured that our nation remained free and independent: Finland was - along with Britain - the only warfaring European country in WW2 that was never occupied.

So, our veterans deserve the highest respect.

Leftists naturally loathe them for the very same reason I respect them.

I mean no disrespect, since I know how much this part of the war is imporatant to finnish patriotism.

But since I worked on a bigger paper for university about the importance of light metal industrie in WW2, I found out that actually the war in Finnland isn't really good researched. Only since 2006 there actually finish historians genuinly researching since its such a sensible topic - anything destroying the legend of the "good" war, will cause an uproar. Some describe it as a "holy topic" - untouchable.

It appears Finnland worked way closer with Germany and the SS to repell the Russian army as anyone wants to admit. We are talking about cooperation in war, but also about mass executions of russian POW by finish soliders and deportation of russian POW and 70 jews from Finnland to Germany - in cooperation from both countries. We are not talking about single cases, but a planned cooperation and execution of plans.

Some historians, social scientist working on the topic: Oula Silvennoinen, Seppo Hentilä, Elina Sana.

I don't want to piss on anyones parade, but its the third time I read from this war from finish people who portray the finish war as a paragon fight against a Russia. I just think people should be honest about their past.

[Theinquisition]

Christ

Can we just stop creating these "how do you feel about veteran" threads.

The same people always support us and the same people always bitch about us, meanwhile those veterans that just want to be left alone to live like normal people get caught in the middle.

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I have no respect for murderers, no matter they clothes they wear.

Yeah, we don't need folks like these, this is why these threads get retarded

[Sindile]

I have no respect for murderers, no matter they clothes they wear.

Nice bro...

[Theinquisition]

Most of those are REMFs that never left the wire, boo fucking hoo that you were were forced to fix helicopters in the Desert for 9 months, cry me a river.

LOL

Hey fucker I spent 15 months at a time fixing helicopters, and flew outside the wire at least 3 times a week :P

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Nice bro...

I know right, hes why we can't have nice things

[tumppu]

I mean no disrespect, since I know how much this part of the war is imporatant to finnish patriotism.*snip*

Actually, the winter war was the good war. Continuation war was just us being mad at russians and the leadership figuring it would be a good idea to fight a round 2. Well, we know how that ended. And then we got to fight the germans too.

Obviously, coming out independent from that mess was something people have grown to cherish, after seeing how things went down in the eastern bloc countries. Healthy respect for the men and women who were around to help keep it is something that I have, but that's really reserved for veterans of WW2, not all of armed forces, so it's a bit different from, say, the USA.

As for being honest about history, that's a debate for another thread, but you are really "pissing on parades" when you flat out claim we are being dishonest about the war or what went down back then.

[Legnaros]

It's funny because on the front page of several news outlets there's an article where people are outraged at an Airline because a stewardess wouldn't put a military man's coat in the coat closet thing they have reserved for first class passengers. We seem to want to put veterans on a pedestal because of the things they've done but to me they're no different than a doctor who saves lives every day, or the cashier at a grocery store. Let's look at this from a different perspective, veterans choose to enlist, they choose to go overseas and do what they do. Why we should put them in any higher regard than any other American or human being is lost on me.

How about this scenario, a doctor is being flown across country to perform open heart surgery on a child and will be the only person to save that person's life. Doctor can ONLY fly in coach, and is refused the opportunity to hang his jacket up in the thing because it's a first class amenity. This would NOT be news.

Better scenario, the flight attendant breaks protocol to hang the military man's jacket and doing so is fired on the spot by her employer because she did not follow the rules...wouldn't be news either.

Point is, no one is better than anyone else based on what you do as a career CHOICE.

[Kellhound]

It's funny because on the front page of several news outlets there's an article where people are outraged at an Airline because a stewardess wouldn't put a military man's coat in the coat closet thing they have reserved for first class passengers. We seem to want to put veterans on a pedestal because of the things they've done but to me they're no different than a doctor who saves lives every day, or the cashier at a grocery store. Let's look at this from a different perspective, veterans choose to enlist, they choose to go overseas and do what they do. Why we should put them in any higher regard than any other American or human being is lost on me.

How about this scenario, a doctor is being flown across country to perform open heart surgery on a child and will be the only person to save that person's life. Doctor can ONLY fly in coach, and is refused the opportunity to hang his jacket up in the thing because it's a first class amenity. This would NOT be news.

Better scenario, the flight attendant breaks protocol to hang the military man's jacket and doing so is fired on the spot by her employer because she did not follow the rules...wouldn't be news either.

Point is, no one is better than anyone else based on what you do as a career CHOICE.

Yes, the doctor couldn't afford first class on his specialist salary....

[Hyve]

I don't glorify or admire them, but I'm thankful for their service and dedication to the country.

[Legnaros]

Right so because he can't afford it he should still be entitled to the benefits of first class passengers? Help me with that.

[Pickynerd]

It takes a special person to risk their life for less then minimum wage.. That being said, just like everyone else.

[NoRest4Wicked]

snip.

Now, I'm not too sure about the Army, but in other services you shouldn't be removing your jacket anyways. If you are flying home in blues (which is just a tacky attention grab anyways- one of my junior Marines would ALWAYS fly home on leave in blues just because 9/10 times he would get his flight class upgraded from coach for free), removing the blouse is going to put you out of proper uniform.