[Mage] *Official* WoD Help my DPS/Gear Thread

[jgrems]

Ok, my ilvl is 678 and mastery fully buffed is 64%....I feel like I should be doing alot more dps in these fights...if anyone can view these logs and provide some advice I would be grateful! Thanks in advance.

Logs
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pBvfjZVdX7JCqrn9

Armory:
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...a/Sabib/simple

Please advise and thank you in advance.

[Woobels]

Would like some advice on my fire (and arcane but mostly fire) play:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ershy/advanced
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...yNc4dw#fight=3

H&F/Iron Maidens I played as fire.

I understand how to do the combustion trick but I often fail to get a proper pyro chain to pull it off, maybe I'm being too picky and I should just go for it earlier.
Maidens in general I played pretty poorly I feel so any help there is welcome.

More content with my Arcane play but I can do better as I feel I got rather lucky with procs, especially on Gruul. So advice for that is welcome too.

Thanks in advance!

Talents/gear in armory is probably inaccurate as I use certain talents for questing etc.

[Deleted]

@Woobels:
First of all your overall performance is not the very best but really stable. U seem to know your rota.
Looking at maidens i would add some smaller things:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...&ability=12654

The first 3 combustions are a little to fast. The 4th was just .. yeah lets do it. The last 3 were good.
But overall without any critproctrinket i wouldn't recommend Kindling. Take Meteor and build up bigger ignites. If u dont have it get an ignitemonitor and learn how ignite works. (Read: http://altered-time.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1516 Very useful to understand ignite)

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@Sabib:
First of all: Read some Arcaneguides. This Forum here has one. http://altered-time.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3 Here u will find also something.

Looking at Gruul:
CDs not used properly:
2 Crystals (should be 3)
8 SNs (should be 10-11)
1 Evocation (should be 2-3)
9!! RoP (should be 0-1)
0 Icy Floes

Your Manamanagment is just terrible. Learn the rotation for Burn und Conserve (look at guides). I dont even know how to start. U do nearly everything wrong what can be done wrong as arcane. Pls read the guides and then come back with questions or some new logs.

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@Caladras:
First get a new head

CDs: (Fightlength: 3:50)
3 PCs is fine
2 AP is fine
7 SNs is to low; Its fine to save both charges for crystal but only if crystal is coming up soon. She dont uses SNs outside of crystal at all which is bad
5 RoPs are way to much. Combined with 0 Ice Floes and the fact that the Runeuptime is only 60% she has a movement prob.
Its Gruul! Precast 2 Rune beside the boss. Cast another after 3 Minutes (before second AP) and thats it. U can Ice Floes in a rune and be fine for nearly everything.
If she dont like RoP then take IF.

1 Evo is way to low.
Looking at the manacurve:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RtWMVhAcpjLmK2G8/#fight=4&type=resources&spell=100&sourceclass=Mage
Filter for Caladras and Emilice:
U are doing a good rotation between Burn and Conserve (beside the fact that u forget a Burnphase)
She is wasting way to much mana in the Conservephase. She dont uses ABarr at the right times dipping lower and lower with her mana. Get back to guides and read again about Conserve/Burnphase.
Get to a trainingdummy, ignore Evo and do a conservephase for 20 Minutes. Get some Weakaura/TMW/Addon for the manabar. Practice practice practice.
After that use CDs + Burnphase inbetween.

[Kev111]

Posting this on behalf of a guildie/friend.

Hi I have been raiding BRF the last few weeks, I have all heroic gear and my four set bonus.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...jLfcnp#fight=7
this is the link to my armory that has all my stats. I raid in arcane and fire, all single target fights are done in arcane and all aoe fights are done in fire except for perhaps orgorger which I've done in fire. I know the rotation from icy-veins and do that rotation to the best of my ability which as far as I knew was correct, how ever my damage seems to say otherwise. My biggest concern is on black hand in arcane I use icy floes, flame glow frost jaw, greater invisibility, super nova, in-canters ward, and prismatic crystal, previously i was using overpowered but changed tonight.
Here is the log for one portion of the fight where my damage wasn't good https://www.warcraftlogs. com/reports/XkVARZv8d9jLfcnp#fight=7
and this is the log for the better pull
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...jLfcnp#fight=7
I am not sure what I'm doing wrong. I do the burn phase with arcane power active and spam it on the crystal if I'm using that talent, if not than i just burn down to 40 percent, than evocation and continue with the preserve phase. I attempt to keep my stacks up while i have to move but i don't see what is killing my damage especially when i stand still.

[Deleted]

Looking at both Arcanemages (u didnt include a name in the request):
Simple looking at the manacurve:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...urceclass=Mage
Incapacitate: Way to long time wasted in the first burn phase. U even used a ABarr while burning. Thats just wrong. Blast your mana out till 50% and then evo back.
Second or third burn phase is not even a real burn phase. Its just.. i dont know whats happening.
Shortstuff: First and Second burn seems ok. Third burn was not happening. U even set the crystal after a ABarr and startet to rebuild AC while crystal is active which is a onyl wasted dmg.

Both: Conservephase for both arcanemages is meh. U sometimes dip to low on mana and sometimes cap mana at 100% for to long. Its not plain false but a clearer conservephase could get u more dmg.

U both get the main idea behind arcane. All u need is more practice and a better feeling for mana. Maybe get some Addons/Weakauras for a clear gameplay.

[denzildk]

Im currently raiding BRF mythic with my guild, im very competetive about dps and because of that another mage in my group have asked me to check his log's for improovment's, i've already given them a look and found some things he could improove, but the more people checking it out the better.

logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...18&view=events
(he's twisti, im ziggshexplo)

so we discussed use of arcane barrage at the last raid, i seemed to use less that him, and have more dpspartialy because of that, told him about weaving blasts in between missiles as to not cap mana.

I've also found 2 things in the log's im gonna tell him to change so far. First is that he uses he's CD's before casting crystal, thereby wasting 0.4 sec of a gcd.
secondly he seems to not "finish" he's evo cast (onely getting the on-cast mana and not wating for the first tick), dont know if this is the case, but he spendt 1 sec channeling and i spendt 1.4sec on it.

thanks in advance for the help.

[trystero]

Im currently raiding BRF mythic with my guild, im very competetive about dps and because of that another mage in my group have asked me to check his log's for improovment's, i've already given them a look and found some things he could improove, but the more people checking it out the better.

logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...18&view=events
(he's twisti, im ziggshexplo)

so we discussed use of arcane barrage at the last raid, i seemed to use less that him, and have more dpspartialy because of that, told him about weaving blasts in between missiles as to not cap mana.

I've also found 2 things in the log's im gonna tell him to change so far. First is that he uses he's CD's before casting crystal, thereby wasting 0.4 sec of a gcd.
secondly he seems to not "finish" he's evo cast (onely getting the on-cast mana and not wating for the first tick), dont know if this is the case, but he spendt 1 sec channeling and i spendt 1.4sec on it.

thanks in advance for the help.

He seems solid, gear is a bit of an issue with a HM trinket and ~8% less mastery than you have. 12 RoP casts on Gruul though with a 75% uptime is a problem.

I think you're right about evocation but I can't be sure. His mana graph looks OK but it's a bit lower than what you should be seeing from a top parser like Komma:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...00&view=events

In the event log, Komma gets an extra tick than your mage gets.

[Deleted]

His mana Managment is bad:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Mage&spell=100
(for reference trystero posted a Manacurve which is really good)
Looking at his curve he is way to long way to low in mana:
In his first burn he delayed Evo to long with staying at around 60% mana. He shouldn't do that. Cast AM only until ~65% and then burn straight through til 50% and evo back (with BL u could evo to 40% and regen with 2 ticks but the difference is marginal).
After first burn the conserve until 1:50 was not optimal; its wrong to stay at 100% mana for to long but he never get back to 100% which indicates to much ABs between ABarr. Weaving in another AB between Missiles is right but NEVER cast AB under 93% mana. (which he was doing sometimes)
After 1:47 he starts second burn but dies.
Resurrect aroung 2:15. He restarted the burn. This time around 2:45 his evo was cutted before his mana was full. Maybe Movement maybe failure. This shouldn't happen. He casted IF only 2 times in the fight so i assume he had to run from shit. In this case he should focus more on learning IF. ITs currently just simple the best talent we have.
So he stands at low mana until his next Evo which kills his DPS with bare hands. There was a thread at alter time discussing such situations. He should start to regain mana by 2AB+ABarr or 3AB+ABarr (fit in AM ofc). This shouldn't need to much time and then he can again start conserve. Staying aroung 60% mana for so long time is just bad.
The rest is just burn to end which maybe is a little bit to long but that is discussable.

[strobulus]

Hello You all, thanks fro the time you're taking to help me, I really appreciate it. Excuse my English, I'm a foreign student, and I'm still learning the language.

I am a arcane/fire mage, I've been playing this game for a few months only, and I started raiding with my mage in a little less than 2 weeks.
I have improved a lot after checking some forums and videos, but I am kinda stuck now. I have half of my BiS (maybe more) but still, I'm not pulling the dps I should be pulling. That's why I came to you guys, and see if you guys can help me.

Here are my gear, and some fight logs so you can help me to figure out what's wrong.
us.battle.net/wow/en/character/black-dragonflight/Vizard/simple
warcraftlogs.com/reports/PF7xMWNJaAtnBV2j#fight=3
askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/486c0348-ebe9-433f-8e33-dda4a812de69/overview

In the last link, I'm Aiko, I name changed 3 days ago. There are some spaces in the links, I dont know why I could post them normally.

Hope you guys can help me, I would be immensely grateful.

[Deleted]

Looking at logs for Arcane:
You died at Gruul so i will take Kromog:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...asts&source=25
CDs: (6min 36)
3 PCs (should be 4)
3 APs Fine
3 PoMs (should be 4)
3 Evos (should be 4)
You forgot one whole Burnphase. Aligning CDs is good.

Looking at Mana:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e=25&spell=100
First Burn was a little bit to long. You get many Mana back around 00:31. Try to avoid that. Burn straigther to 50% and Evo back. Dont use AMs under ~65% Mana. (even if u get 3 procs in a row avoid them. If u dont use Evo for to long ur CDs get desyncd)
Conserve is more bad than good. U go way to low in Mana way to often. Dont cast AB under 93% Mana. Make a WA or get an Addon for Mana and optimize Conserve.
second and third burn are Ok.
Conclusion: Optimize Conserve and CD-usage.

Logs for Fire:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...53&view=events
Grounding seems fine. Work on Combustion. Learn the 2pc-trick (->http://altered-time.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1137).
Ignite/Combustion seems also fine.

General Tip: Learn IF! Eva is nice but never beats IF. U died to not moving, used a ton of scorches or recasted RoPs to often.
Plan and learn the fights. Learn where a RoP is useful and gamble with IF in it.

[Gavran]

2 question:
For arcane:
1. Mythic Bracers of Enkindled Power with socket VS Mythic Bracers of Darkened Skies,
2. HC Runefrenzy Greatcloak VS Mythic Runescribed Gronncloak

P.S. I know i can see numbers in SimulationCraft, but values of stats its kinda wierd for arcane, thats why im confused and asking you
5.01 mastery
4.40 multi
4.14 crit
3.99 haste
3.75 vers

Haste shouldnt be on this place?

Thanks

[Magictricks]

Hey guys, i need a little help on mythic kromog.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...=8&target=53.2

my guild leader is saying i'm not pulling enough dps on the pillers but i'm checking over my logs and and other peoples and i can't see how to more dps during that time.

Any advice on what do to or is he wrong to expect more?.

[Deleted]

DMG to Stone Pillar 2(the one u posted):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...rget=53.2,53.2
Gizzur did 1.18m Dmg, u did 600k
Looking at the timing:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports....2&view=events
He started 1:37 and ended 1:53 (16 seconds)
You started 1:38 and ended 1:46 (7 seconds)
Looking at the overall dmg in the timespan 1:37 to 2:10
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...61&end=3312595
You stoped dmg at 1:46 (after PC runs out) blinked and did nothing until 2:02 where u casted a AB at Kromog.
I assume: after PC faded u blinked in safezone and stand there doing nothing. Maybe u couldn't get back the pillar in target for another AB. IF was on CD which was just bad. Try to plan your movement for the pillars better.
RoP-Uptime is also only 50%. If u cant get that better stay with Incanters. Its far more better then a 50% RoP. Especially while this stonepillarphase you were the whole time without RoP which is plain 15% less dmg.

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DMG to Stone Pillar 2(the one u posted):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...rget=53.2,53.2
Gizzur did 1.18m Dmg, u did 600k
Looking at the timing:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports....2&view=events
He started 1:37 and ended 1:53 (16 seconds)
You started 1:38 and ended 1:46 (7 seconds)
Looking at the overall dmg in the timespan 1:37 to 2:10
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...61&end=3312595
You stoped dmg at 1:46 (after PC runs out) blinked and did nothing until 2:02 where u casted a AB at Kromog.
I assume: after PC faded u blinked in safezone and stand there doing nothing. Maybe u couldn't get back the pillar in target for another AB. IF was on CD which was just bad. Try to plan your movement for the pillars better.
RoP-Uptime is also only 50%. If u cant get that better stay with Incanters. Its far more better then a 50% RoP. Especially while this stonepillarphase you were the whole time without RoP which is plain 15% less dmg.

Conclusion: Try Incanters and plan your movement better

[Magictricks]

DMG to Stone Pillar 2(the one u posted):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...rget=53.2,53.2
Gizzur did 1.18m Dmg, u did 600k
Looking at the timing:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports....2&view=events
He started 1:37 and ended 1:53 (16 seconds)
You started 1:38 and ended 1:46 (7 seconds)
Looking at the overall dmg in the timespan 1:37 to 2:10
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...61&end=3312595
You stoped dmg at 1:46 (after PC runs out) blinked and did nothing until 2:02 where u casted a AB at Kromog.
I assume: after PC faded u blinked in safezone and stand there doing nothing. Maybe u couldn't get back the pillar in target for another AB. IF was on CD which was just bad. Try to plan your movement for the pillars better.
RoP-Uptime is also only 50%. If u cant get that better stay with Incanters. Its far more better then a 50% RoP. Especially while this stonepillarphase you were the whole time without RoP which is plain 15% less dmg.

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Conclusion: Try Incanters and plan your movement better

Thanks for taking the time to help me out.
I'm not good at changing the options on the logs to really see whats going on so the link you gave helped a lot.

But 2 things i need to say, i used all 3 IF on my crystal because we didn't have any fox and i had to move 3 times, i'm not sure how else to change that.

and the 15 second break on dps is because after the 2nd piller gets to 15% we are meant to go and help the 3rd piller, so thats why i blinked over and started dpsing the 3rd, but it died before i could get my AM to land and the bolts were still in the air, and then you must LOS the boss behind the rock. thats why i'm standing around for so long.

but thank you for pointing out those things for me, any help is appreciated.

[ralphie]

Hi Guys,
Guild is currently working on H Blackhand. Can you help me review these logs and tell me what I could do better? There's another mage in the raid and he's doing more dps than me, our gear is pretty similar. I'm Zedikus.

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Zedikus/simple
Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qDZhWmGMxkKrYzHF

I started doing better in the latter pulls once I became more familiar with the fight and was able to manage my CDs better.

Thanks in advance!

[Rfitz89]

Hi all, I am really struggling with arcane right now. I have read all the guides I can find, I have macro'd my AB and AM so I don't clip any missiles and I am starting to become more familiar with the fights in heroic Blackrock. Some fights I even feel like I do pretty well (and my DPS on recount isn't too shabby) but when I look at the log rankings I am doing so BAD! I do not have the legendary ring to 690 yet and I only have the 2 piece. The other mage in our raid group is killing every fight and I am sucking. I am newer to this raid group but not raiding and have just gotten gear these last two weeks.

Here is my armory link us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kiljaeden/Zepheniah/simple
And here are the logs from last night in heroic Blackrock warcraftlogs.com/reports/AwgQ9YPq3F6Hhx7T

When I try to read the logs and compare myself to SLT (my name is Zepheniah) what I see that is notable is he is getting a lot more AM off (presumably because he has the 4-piece) and his average hit for AB is about 10k higher than mine.

I also have the Mage Mana Bar addon to help me only cast AB when above 93% mana and I feel I do fairly well with that.

Any and all help would be appreciated. I am raiding with a new group on a different server kind of trying out and I do not think it will last if I can not pick it up. Please help! Also, this is my first post here so hopefully I covered everything. Thanks!

P.S. I am also starting to try to use fire on some fights (also suck in rankings) but I will attempt getting better at that later.

[trystero]

You need to read a basic guide on Arcane. I can look at the logs in more detail later, but for now I see that your fundamental gameplay is butchered. Looking at your opener on Gruul, you cast RoP on the pull, Arcane Power after you've placed Crystal and 2x SN/AB into it, and your mana graph looks scattered. You want it to dip only for burn phases.

This is yours,

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ents&spell=100

Compare it to a top parser's,

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...00&view=events

[Rfitz89]

Thanks for the initial feedback, yeah the ROP I know should have been down first.

One specific question, I always cast AB to 4 stacks of arcane charge before I cast Arcane Barrage, is that wrong? sometimes it will dip me below 93% mana on/before cast but I am thinking if I proc AM I cannot cast them unless I have 4 charges or arcane charge. So should I dump my arcane charges EVERY time the next AB would start below 93% mana? Even if I do not have 4 charges or if I have a stack of AM?

Thanks, I am really trying to figure this out asap. I will read through Icy veins again but I have already read it several times, maybe I am not understanding it correctly.

[Deleted]

If u only cast 4xAB->ABarr for infinity you will never go oom.
The rule is: Dont cast AB when u are under 93% mana at the start of the cast. Not 93% at the end.
So the standard is allways:
4xAB
Looking for AMs,SNs etc. If nothing procced ABarr and repeat.

(ok one exception is when the first 3 ABs proc AMs then u should do an AM after 3 ABs but this is really really rare)

[Rfitz89]

If u only cast 4xAB->ABarr for infinity you will never go oom.
The rule is: Dont cast AB when u are under 93% mana at the start of the cast. Not 93% at the end.
So the standard is allways:
4xAB
Looking for AMs,SNs etc. If nothing procced ABarr and repeat.

(ok one exception is when the first 3 ABs proc AMs then u should do an AM after 3 ABs but this is really really rare)

Thanks! Just quick log update, after downing H Blackhand last night (which I sucked on) we went and did some heroic highmaul, I think the first two bosses reflect that my rotation is not nearly as bad when I am comfortable with the fights...plus not moving. My rankings were much higher, although on Kargath my DPS was still way below the other mage's. I'll have to look into trying to figure out why when I have more time.

warcraftlogs.com/reports/KmH7qpakFLCc4vjr#fight=16&view=rankings

And yeah I really need to make sure not to AB when below 93% ever...i know I do when mana is close but still below...usally when I am scrambling around like an idiot trying to avoid raid mechanics.