[Mage] *Official* WoD Help my DPS/Gear Thread

[Alroxas]

Hi folks,

I would like to request help for one of our arcane mages in our guild who is just struggling to do well despite the gear he's got.

Here are the logs from the most recent run of BRF: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CMKhqvTwfRydFrkx

Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...C3%A5/advanced

From what I can tell, Arkadia has the following problems:

• Poor Mana Management - Arcane charge kept up too long
• Poor NT uptime
• No usage of PC
• Poor talent selection

What other specific things would you readers recommend? Thanks!

[toccure]

Hi , I really need a help with my arcane mage here

Arcane Mage IGN: Martialx ilvl 666
Butcher log : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Vr6p/#fight=65
Amory : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tialx/advanced
Expected DPS : 27k+
Spec : Arcane

I'm not sure what the problem is with my dps , but as I think I'm having a problem during mana conserve phase.
Could you guys pls look up my log and give me an advice pls. Actually I'm new player here so I don't know much about
mage rotation and experience but I've read everything up but not really get an idea about Arcane mage rotation during conserve phase.

TYVM

[Neinen]

Hi , I really need a help with my arcane mage here

Arcane Mage IGN: Martialx ilvl 666
Butcher log : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Vr6p/#fight=65
Amory : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...tialx/advanced
Expected DPS : 27k+
Spec : Arcane

I'm not sure what the problem is with my dps , but as I think I'm having a problem during mana conserve phase.
Could you guys pls look up my log and give me an advice pls. Actually I'm new player here so I don't know much about
mage rotation and experience but I've read everything up but not really get an idea about Arcane mage rotation during conserve phase.

TYVM

First of all, you only used AP twice (1.5m CD, 4m30s fight). Your AP will always line up with PC, since they're both on a 1.5m CD. You did use PC on CD, it seems you didn't use AP on your second PC.

Your mana graph looks very weird to be honest, so you'll probably have to work on the burn/conserve phase idea. It does take some getting used to.

Here is your graph: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e=14&spell=100

Here is how it should roughly look: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e=17&spell=100

As you can see in graph no. 2, mana drops heavily twice during the fight. That's the burn phase. You'll have a burn phase every 1.5 minutes (the cooldown time of Evocation, BUT ALSO the cooldown time of AP+PC). This simplifies things a lot and gives you great pointers about when it's time to start a burn phase.

Let's go over a 4m30s fight like your butcher kill:
0m00s: Get to 4 stacks of Arcane Charge and pop AP+PC, start burn phase (make sure to get off both Supernova charges on the PC).
0m~30-40s: You reach ~50% mana, use Evocation (with 4 stacks of Arcane Charge, DO NOT drop stacks before Evocating).
1m40s: AP+PC is off cooldown, pop both, start burn phase.
2m~10-20s: You're getting close to 50% mana again, Evocation is coming off cooldown, use it when you get below 50% mana.
3m10s: AP+PC is off cooldown, pop both, start burn phase.
3m~40-50s: You're getting close to 50% mana again, Evocation is coming off cooldown, use it when you get below 50% mana.

As you can see, it's basically just a very long rotation. You would loop through the rotation a few more times for longer fights, but the general idea is the same.

General rules for the burn phase:
Do not drop arcane charge stacks at all.
When below ~70% mana, stop using AM charges, save them for after Evocation.
At ~50% mana, use Evocation.

General rules for conserve phase:
Get to 4 stacks of Arcane Charge and use your AM procs.
If you're above 93% mana, cast another AB.
DO NOT reach 100% mana, you wan't to avoid reaching 100% ever. This means that if you're at 4 charges, with 3 AM procs up, you might end up at 98% mana after using the first 2 AM procs. At that point, you'd want to cast another AB before using the last AM proc, to ensure you do not reach 100% mana.
When below 93% mana, drop Arcane Charges by using ABarr.

Not sure that I got everything in there that I wanted .. Feel free to ask more questions if you need clarification


Edit: Few more things specifically about the log you linked:

You should use Rune of Power on Butcher, since there is almost no movement in the fight.

You also only used Presence of Mind twice. Use it in your burn phase for an extra instant AB on your PC.

You only cast Supernova 7 times. The fight was 4m27s = 267 seconds. Supernova has a recharge time of 24 seconds, which means you would be able to cast it 267/24 = 11,12 = 11 times. Make sure you never have 2 Supernova charges up (keep the recharge timer going)

[rimira]

Looking for some help with Arcane spec. I am 681, but can't seem to break 30k on any fight and usually around 25k mark. I can't post links to my armory and logs until I post more so I will try and comment a few times then updates with URLS. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Deleted]

For arcane with 4 set bonus, is best use am after take a arcane charge for the bonus or play using standard rules for conserve/burning?

[Deleted]

Hey. Currently switching to mage, and we're on progress on Mythic Beastlord.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done I'm Navrance on this log, and the 665 ilvl struggle is real. I went Fire as I'm assigned to Boss / Pack Beasts damage. I'm pretty happy with the numbers I pulled here, but looking at top ranking fire mages on Darmac I feel like I'm missing something / not doing what I need to be doing here. Again, I'm not talking pure numbers wise as I feel it would be quite hard to compete with someone running with 30 more ilvl, but my dps / ability spread seems a bit off to me. I feel like my Ignite is really low, am I casting Living bombs too much or w/e ?

[Jessicka]

Anactoria - Fire - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...toria/advanced

My main spec is Fire and I feel like I'm seriously lacking in the ST DPS department; AoE feels okay. Obvious solution might be "Spec Arcane for that lol", but I am frankly, just awful at it; even in the rare circumstances I feel like I'm doing it right, the numbers simply do not reflect that.

There's logs here for both specs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...555933/latest/

In particular I have some issues with the 100 talents; while Kindling is supposed to be best with PC in close second, both seem seriously at the mercy of RNG - any benefit from Kindling seems to get lost in waiting for the 'stars to align', and similarly with PC, placing it often feels like it ends any chance of building a decent Ignite and I either miss the opportunity entirely or end up with a weakass Combustion. That leaves Meteor, which feels a little more consistent, but weak.

[Erolian]

Anactoria - Fire - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...toria/advanced

My main spec is Fire and I feel like I'm seriously lacking in the ST DPS department; AoE feels okay. Obvious solution might be "Spec Arcane for that lol", but I am frankly, just awful at it; even in the rare circumstances I feel like I'm doing it right, the numbers simply do not reflect that.

There's logs here for both specs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...555933/latest/

In particular I have some issues with the 100 talents; while Kindling is supposed to be best with PC in close second, both seem seriously at the mercy of RNG - any benefit from Kindling seems to get lost in waiting for the 'stars to align', and similarly with PC, placing it often feels like it ends any chance of building a decent Ignite and I either miss the opportunity entirely or end up with a weakass Combustion. That leaves Meteor, which feels a little more consistent, but weak.

Well I didn't have time to totally look over every log but at a quick glance at your armory and a gruul log you seem to be specced for Blazing Speed and used it once during the course of the boss but had 11 scorches and 2 melee swings. Ice Floes can be a far stronger talent for DPS if you can get used to using it so I'd try that in combination with trying to move less so you never have to cast scorch, or only cast it once or twice, on a boss such as Gruul. You also didn't seem to have used Ice Floes at all as Arcane on Gruul. You'll be happy once you get used to using it as its without a doubt the most valuable DPS talent on that tier by a long shot and arcane in particular depends on it heavily. There may be other talent choices that'll help you out too but always casting and being able to use your primary filler while moving are always things you should strive to maximize as a mage by planning Ice Floes and blinks accordingly

Here's a few of the top logs for fire on Gruul just to get an idea of how they use Ice Floes and their talent choices for that particular boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=28
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=10
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=63

[BreaKerNZ]

Hello fellow mages, I would like some help with my logs, I feel like I am doing low dps for my ilvl, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Pav4Wz#fight=2
thanks for your help.

[Chivolence]

Spec : Arcane
Armory : http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ivizard/simple
Log : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
Question : First boss of the night for that raid session, have gained gear since then but at that time I simm'd myself at about 42k and only did about 39k. Just trying to see what I did wrong.
My available trinkets are : normal darmar's unstable talisman, normal warforged goren soul repo, and 4/4 Sandman's pouch.
One of my concerns is how I manage the intermediate mini-burn phase when crystal comes off CD with arcane power still at 1:30 before they sync. Should I just have the same priority arcane blasting until about ~70% mana then do arcane missiles all the way until evocation comes off cd then immediately cast it?

also I realize I did not utilize my 2nd potion that gruul attempt. I forgot to sync up with 2nd burn

Thanks.

[Wilderness]

@Chiv - Your mana management is uneven on that Gruul kill - you dipped down to about 80% several times during your conserve phases. I see similar dips and valleys on Oregorger, Flamebender and Kromog as well. You’re dipping too low too often. Playing aggressively and trying to get in an extra AB before you reset stacks just does not pay off.

I'm not sure what you mean by "mini-burn phase" - your burn phases aren't dicated by AP, but rather by Evocation. If you are following the general "no AM sub-70% mana" rule then you won't get your Evocation CD out of sync with your other CDs. If you do that well enough then you can start your 2nd burn once PC is back off CD and go from there. You may want to delay your PC and that 2nd burn by 5, possibly 10 seconds since you know you're burn through mana faster when you don't have AP, but you don't want to wait too long.

[Chivolence]

@Chiv - Your mana management is uneven on that Gruul kill - you dipped down to about 80% several times during your conserve phases. I see similar dips and valleys on Oregorger, Flamebender and Kromog as well. You’re dipping too low too often. Playing aggressively and trying to get in an extra AB before you reset stacks just does not pay off.

I'm not sure what you mean by "mini-burn phase" - your burn phases aren't dicated by AP, but rather by Evocation. If you are following the general "no AM sub-70% mana" rule then you won't get your Evocation CD out of sync with your other CDs. If you do that well enough then you can start your 2nd burn once PC is back off CD and go from there. You may want to delay your PC and that 2nd burn by 5, possibly 10 seconds since you know you're burn through mana faster when you don't have AP, but you don't want to wait too long.

Ah I see, thanks for the evaluation. Trinket choices what I have right now is most likely best right? Out of all options it sims highest. I'll try to clear stacks under 90% mana better

[Wilderness]

My work blocks battlenet so I can't actually see which trinkets you currently have equipped. Out of the 3 you mentioned the 4/4 DMC should be best, but I'm not sure about the others. If they were the same ilvl Darmac's is better, but they are close enough that my guess is the warforged one from Oregorger is the better option. Just a guess though.

[Liandryl]

Hello fellow mages, I would like some help with my logs, I feel like I am doing low dps for my ilvl, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...Pav4Wz#fight=2
thanks for your help.

First thing is that you must not use cone of cold without the glyph ...
Its damage is only better than Arcane explosion with it. You also used it on less than 4 target while using it which is sub optimal.

You need close to 99% uptime on Rune of Power where you had 92% on Kromog.
You will not top the meter if you focus single target on fight like Beastlord and Operator(which is a good thing in itself) but you may think your dps is low due to that.
You also cap mana too often during conserve phase. It is a waste of mana to stay at 160k for too long.
You don't use your burn phase till the end and use evocation before hitting the 50% which means you will not get the most of the burn phase.(Beastlord)
You only used Arcane Power twice in a 6:49 min fight (Beastlord) which means you lost 30sec of AP.
You should not use Rune of Power on Oregorger because you don't get its benefit while running around since it's a loss of dps casting it everytime you move.
Only 1 burn phase was done on Operator which is a 6min fight for you and you did your 2nd AP so late that you did not even get the 2 AP to their full extent.

[BreaKerNZ]

Thanks for you input Liandryl I will work on those next raid.

[Jessicka]

Well I didn't have time to totally look over every log but at a quick glance at your armory and a gruul log you seem to be specced for Blazing Speed and used it once during the course of the boss but had 11 scorches and 2 melee swings. Ice Floes can be a far stronger talent for DPS if you can get used to using it so I'd try that in combination with trying to move less so you never have to cast scorch, or only cast it once or twice, on a boss such as Gruul. You also didn't seem to have used Ice Floes at all as Arcane on Gruul. You'll be happy once you get used to using it as its without a doubt the most valuable DPS talent on that tier by a long shot and arcane in particular depends on it heavily. There may be other talent choices that'll help you out too but always casting and being able to use your primary filler while moving are always things you should strive to maximize as a mage by planning Ice Floes and blinks accordingly

Here's a few of the top logs for fire on Gruul just to get an idea of how they use Ice Floes and their talent choices for that particular boss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=28
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=10
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...uras&source=63

Thanks for this, given Ice Floes a try, and it does take a little getting used to but definitely an improvement. I got 4 set last night too, and it seems to make a big difference as well. I made a weakaura for it, but sometimes the buff (Pyromaniac) can be up, but my Pyros still have a cast time; is it just bugged or is there some hidden cap on charges or something else I'm missing?

[Chivolence]

@Chiv - Your mana management is uneven on that Gruul kill - you dipped down to about 80% several times during your conserve phases. I see similar dips and valleys on Oregorger, Flamebender and Kromog as well. You’re dipping too low too often. Playing aggressively and trying to get in an extra AB before you reset stacks just does not pay off.

I'm not sure what you mean by "mini-burn phase" - your burn phases aren't dicated by AP, but rather by Evocation. If you are following the general "no AM sub-70% mana" rule then you won't get your Evocation CD out of sync with your other CDs. If you do that well enough then you can start your 2nd burn once PC is back off CD and go from there. You may want to delay your PC and that 2nd burn by 5, possibly 10 seconds since you know you're burn through mana faster when you don't have AP, but you don't want to wait too long.

Here is another recent normal Gruul I did for arcane practice. I feel as though I had better mana management

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=32

Realized yet again I forgot to take 2nd pot...I gotta fix that lmao

and also missed 1 presence of mind, wtf am i doing

[Erolian]

Thanks for this, given Ice Floes a try, and it does take a little getting used to but definitely an improvement. I got 4 set last night too, and it seems to make a big difference as well. I made a weakaura for it, but sometimes the buff (Pyromaniac) can be up, but my Pyros still have a cast time; is it just bugged or is there some hidden cap on charges or something else I'm missing?

That sounds like a bug unless something really weird is happening with travel times and you're starting a pyro cast by spamming the button just before a spell lands and grants you your proc. I'm not even sure if that's still possible? It hasn't ever happened to me but I have, on the opener, been unable to use either of my inferno blast charges for upwards of 4 gcds while trying to compress an ignite .-.

[Linay]

Hi Mage community.
Ive been rolling mage in WoD.
I consider myself to be a little better than average player. Based on that ive been playing since the start.
But dosn´t mean that i cant be any better i guess. So im looking for some pointers for getting the last dps out of my mage. Im rolling arcane on singletarget and fire on multitarget.

Could someone please Sim me, and tell me what kind of dps i should be putting out. Cause i feel a little on the low side of things.
Could it just be bad rng on fireside and small fuckups on arcane that does it.
Linking our latest HC Gruul kill, feel free to browse the other kills we have had.
On some of the other kills there is another mage called Loina. We are pretty average in gear, seem to recall he is slightly higher in ilvl than me. But he is consistently alot higher than me. And i cant grasp why. Im ofc Miríam

http: //eu.battle . net/wow/en/character/zenedar/Mir%C3%ADam/simple
http: //eu.battle . net/wow/en/character/zenedar/Loina/simple

http: // www . askmrrobot . com/wow/combatlog/5c619277-050c-4e55-9dc6-14276b96f826/boss/gruul/heroic#f=102,be=overview,c=15

[Caladras]

Hey Everyone, Ive been trying to help A mage in my guild named Emillice. She has just started playing arcane/fire and i showed her some basic guides and went over the rotation. We went and did an LFR and i logged it. Please fine sirs look over her gruul kill and post any feedback on how she can improve her dps

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...millice/simple

logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...mK2G8/#fight=4