More Teenage Jihads

[Selah]

No exactly religion yes. Has been going on for a long time with Christianity, Jews, and Islamists. Crusades ring a bell? The Inquisition? Just think, if we had no religion, how far progressed would we be? We would probably have everything from Back to the Future already with flying cars, hoverboards and all that jazz.

You honestly think that we wouldn't find another reason to kill each other? The problem isn't "our religions are rivals so we need to kill each other" the problem is group A has a different way of living from group B and group B takes offense at what group A does and decides that group B is in the wrong so they're going to "correct" the problem by killing out as many people as they can who think that way or they convert to their way of thinking.

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Looking foward to their grieving parents over the son's death in a US bombardment.

[Trassk]

And i sincerely hope every single one of them get bombed to hell, they are a total waste of a human life.

thats my feeling as well. I see no reform for these kinds of people, they are the worst kind of human garbage, on par with certain politicians

[Karon]

No exactly religion yes. Has been going on for a long time with Christianity, Jews, and Islamists. Crusades ring a bell? The Inquisition? Just think, if we had no religion, how far progressed would we be? We would probably have everything from Back to the Future already with flying cars, hoverboards and all that jazz.

Religions are the reason why we can't swap the effects of gravity at our will? really? not to mention the impossibility to travel through time, lol.

Btw: the crusades, jihad and all that shit are wars waged by extremists.

[Orrin]

There's great article about those people motives: http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...-not-religion/

It's all about ability to use aggression freely and not be bound by society rules

[Osoroshii]

And on the US front, three girls from Denver skip school and hop a plane to go join ISIS, only to be intercepted in Germany and sent back to the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/col...html?hpt=hp_t1

These kids are all warped.

[Oktoberfest]

No exactly religion yes. Has been going on for a long time with Christianity, Jews, and Islamists. Crusades ring a bell? The Inquisition? Just think, if we had no religion, how far progressed would we be? We would probably have everything from Back to the Future already with flying cars, hoverboards and all that jazz.

I used to think like you. Keep that in mind.

[taliey]

Where the fuck were they during the war on terror?

Didn't they get the memo that jihad = bad?

[Kaleredar]

No exactly religion yes. Has been going on for a long time with Christianity, Jews, and Islamists. Crusades ring a bell? The Inquisition? Just think, if we had no religion, how far progressed would we be? We would probably have everything from Back to the Future already with flying cars, hoverboards and all that jazz.

The crusades, holocaust and inquisition combined killed far fewer people than the secular regime of Maoist china. MILLIONS of people fewer.

[Noomz]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/australias...6.html#aD4f8Oz

That's just one of many but WTF is going on? I can understand those raised within an Islamic extremist environment but some/many of these teenagers wasn't

Hah, a 17 year old boy. I bet he'll regret it when the bombs fall and he lies there crying for mommy as his guts spill out.

[Shiny212]

The crusades, holocaust and inquisition combined killed far fewer people than the secular regime of Maoist china. MILLIONS of people fewer.

You're not honestly arguing that a secular society is a bad thing are you?

[Noomz]

Religions are the reason why we can't swap the effects of gravity at our will? really? not to mention the impossibility to travel through time, lol.

Btw: the crusades, jihad and all that shit are wars waged by extremists.

Religion or politics, it all holds us back.
It just happens that religion was what held us back around the Dark Ages. But it was the result of great, worldshaping events prior to it. I think it's a incorrect to blame religion completely for 500 years of muddy peasants. I'd rather just call people dumb, which is usually the biggest problem...

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You're not honestly arguing that a secular society is a bad thing are you?

Evil, socialist atheists. Atheists free thinking and unwillingness to go to our knee's gets many upset.

[Kaleredar]

You're not honestly arguing that a secular society is a bad thing are you?

No, I'm not saying that. I was simply pointing out the fallacy in thinking that religion is the "great curtain of war and strife" that plagues the world to this day. The two greatest death tolls in history have been orchestrated by two secular societies: Maoist China and Stalinist Russia. The black death killed fewer people.

[Noomz]

No exactly religion yes. Has been going on for a long time with Christianity, Jews, and Islamists. Crusades ring a bell? The Inquisition? Just think, if we had no religion, how far progressed would we be? We would probably have everything from Back to the Future already with flying cars, hoverboards and all that jazz.

Groupings have always been and will always be and they will always be the cause of conflict. Religion, politics, sports, what faction in World of Warcraft you're playing, they're all cause for conflict on different levels.
There'll always be something we'll use to justify killing someone else.

[Shiny212]

No, I'm not saying that. I was simply pointing out the fallacy in thinking that religion is the "great curtain of war and strife" that plagues the world to this day. The two greatest death tolls in history have been orchestrated by two secular societies: Maoist China and Stalinist Russia. The black death killed fewer people.

Yes, but I think it's wrong to blame secularism for that feat in the way we'd blame religion for the crusades. Authoritarian regimes with propaganda bordering om religion is honestly what caused the genocidal campaigns in China and Russia; not secularism.

[Kaleredar]

Yes, but I think it's wrong to blame secularism for that feat in the way we'd blame religion for the crusades. Authoritarian regimes with propaganda bordering or religion honestly is what caused the genocidal campaigns in China and Russia; not a secularism.

So then it doesn't matter whether a society, or more specifically, people therein, are religious or secular, as blindly following leaders who have their own interests in mind or who treat human life with flippancy can lead to appalling devastation regardless of whether said people think they're doing it in the name of a god or not.

That was my point.

[ttak82]

It's propaganda. I mean some journalist conveniently took a photograph here or these guys conveniently took a pic and sent it over to the media threatening some countries about their "plans".

ISIS = project to create fear and spread disiformation, approved and run by thug politicians. And they have a global culture of fear / hatemongering to spread their shit.

Magic. Just on another level.

[Deleted]

You honestly think that we wouldn't find another reason to kill each other? The problem isn't "our religions are rivals so we need to kill each other" the problem is group A has a different way of living from group B and group B takes offense at what group A does and decides that group B is in the wrong so they're going to "correct" the problem by killing out as many people as they can who think that way or they convert to their way of thinking.

Religion is something other then a different way of living. The thing with religion is that it totally envelopes a persons life, everything has to go according to their believe systems. People do not care what other people do as long as it doesn't go against their believe system.
Take being left handed as an example, at this time there is nothing wrong with being left handed. But if there was some kind of faith that would believe that for some reason being left handed is being sinful, then hunting season will be opened.
My point is that religion does strange things with us humans, not having religion in this day of age would really cut down on violence world wide.

[Deleted]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/australias...6.html#aD4f8Oz

That's just one of many but WTF is going on? I can understand those raised within an Islamic extremist environment but some/many of these teenagers wasn't

I find it somewhat amusing that so many plebs in the western world have been brainwashed into seeing things in such a black and white perspective.
Our governments tell us that groups like Islamic State and Al Qaeda are the root of all evil and should be stopped at all costs because they're doing bad shit, and at the same time America send unmanned drones throughout the Middle East, indiscriminately murdering civilians due to a 'hunch'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the actions of IS or Al Qaeda, but I can 100% sympathize with their hatred of us westerners. America's 'World Police' policy of sticking their damn nose in where it isn't wanted, in order to appear like some sort of blundering hero and ultimately reaping some massive financial benefit is utterly disgusting. At least these so-called "terrorist" organisations are fighting for a cause, something they believe in. And in that regard, I think they're doing something far more commendable than we are.
Christ, you only have to look at the abomination that we call culture over here to understand why some parts of the world hate us so fucking much. Spewing out YouTube "celebrities" that teenage girls are so desperate to meet that they're offering sexual favours to the concierges.
Then we have our fucked up culture of consumerism that sees us wolfing down bucketloads of cheeseburgers, chicken wings, pizza, soft drinks and then complaining that we're too fat to walk 30 yards down the street.

Really, us westerners are fucking disgusting. So it comes as no surprise that some of us have decided to switch sides. If we were all looking at this from a completely neutral standpoint, I think you'd probably find that we're the bad guys in all of this.

[Merkava]

I find it somewhat amusing that so many plebs in the western world have been brainwashed into seeing things in such a black and white perspective.
Our governments tell us that groups like Islamic State and Al Qaeda are the root of all evil and should be stopped at all costs because they're doing bad shit, and at the same time America send unmanned drones throughout the Middle East, indiscriminately murdering civilians due to a 'hunch'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning the actions of IS or Al Qaeda, but I can 100% sympathize with their hatred of us westerners. America's 'World Police' policy of sticking their damn nose in where it isn't wanted, in order to appear like some sort of blundering hero and ultimately reaping some massive financial benefit is utterly disgusting. At least these so-called "terrorist" organisations are fighting for a cause, something they believe in. And in that regard, I think they're doing something far more commendable than we are.
Christ, you only have to look at the abomination that we call culture over here to understand why some parts of the world hate us so fucking much. Spewing out YouTube "celebrities" that teenage girls are so desperate to meet that they're offering sexual favours to the concierges.
Then we have our fucked up culture of consumerism that sees us wolfing down bucketloads of cheeseburgers, chicken wings, pizza, soft drinks and then complaining that we're too fat to walk 30 yards down the street.

Really, us westerners are fucking disgusting. So it comes as no surprise that some of us have decided to switch sides. If we were all looking at this from a completely neutral standpoint, I think you'd probably find that we're the bad guys in all of this.

I agree completely. Finally a voice of reason. Getting fat from eating McDonald's is way, way worse than throwing acid in girls' faces for walking to school.