If you were Marxist, you would vote Republican

[THE Bigzoman]

I probably got your attention now. Before you handwave me as a dumbass, hear me out. You might learn something if you do.

This seems contradictory, but if you actually read Marx and decided to follow his beliefs, you would vote republican.

Yes, Marx despised capitalism. However, he believed that the effective way of ending capitalism would be to let it run it's course. When capitalism brought things to hell, the proletariat masses would then bring about the revolution and start the transition from capitalism to utopia.

As a matter of fact, Marx thought that capitalism had to come before communism.


Thus, according to Marx, since voting republican would bring "capitalist" policy, you are speeding up the establishment of the communist society you dream of.

[Independent voter]

Well, it looks like the Marxist experiment of communism killed more people than WWII and most every country except North Korea has abandoned it.

[solvexx]

Do you sit around all day thinking about provocative topics? Or are these all copied and then pasted from other forums?

[THE Bigzoman]

Well, it looks like the Marxist experiment of communism killed more people than WWII and most every country except North Korea has abandoned it.

Assuming those regimes were actually going off what he said.


Marx wrote that communism could only be established in industrialized capitalist societies; capitalism HAD to be a precedent to communism.

The fact that people insisted on trying it in backward ass cow town nations like Russia and China has Marx rolling in his grave.

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Do you sit around all day thinking about provocative topics? Or are these all copied and then pasted from other forums?

All original.

Stop hating bitch.

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[Mumba]

No, because marxists value more things than just the economic system.

[Deleted]

I've been on this forum for 3 minutes now and I've already seen 5 posts that annoy me and make me want to punch people trough the internet.

[Deleted]

Just curious have you read anything by Marx? Das Kapital, The Communist Manifesto etc?

[Arlon]

Well, it looks like the Marxist experiment of communism killed more people than WWII and most every country except North Korea has abandoned it.

What you are describing is exploitation by the ruling elite. People are dying right now under the current system. This time, it's done by capital exploitation in the guise of capitalism.

I do not support communism. But we have right now is moderately better.

[Shiroh]

Well, it looks like the Marxist experiment of communism killed more people than WWII and most every country except North Korea has abandoned it.

Communism in name doesn't make it communism in fact.

[Keosen]

When capitalism brought things to hell, the proletariat masses would then bring about the revolution and start the transition from capitalism to utopia.

Hell is when you have enough food for the entire planet to feed for ever and all the resources to end global hunger and thirst but you don't do it because of logistics.
I mean how much worse can it be?

[Wildtree]

Well, it looks like the Marxist experiment of communism killed more people than WWII and most every country except North Korea has abandoned it.

Except that communism never ever existed in any country. Let alone one that's based on Marx' philosophies.
That's some misconception, which made it primarily only into the heads of US population, while the rest of the planet see's that vastly different.

Anyhow, Marx appears to be right on the money (pun intended) with his thoughts. We are at the beginning stages of the collapse of the capitalist system. The proletariat is getting ever more fucked over. Depending on the various countries, the governments giving ever less of a flying fuck about their people. It'll be another 25 - 50 yrs until hell breaks lose and the first capitalist system gets toppled by uprising people.
I'm pretty convinced about that development.

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I've been on this forum for 3 minutes now and I've already seen 5 posts that annoy me and make me want to punch people trough the internet.

[Khoranth]

I probably got your attention now. Before you handwave me as a dumbass, hear me out. You might learn something if you do.

This seems contradictory, but if you actually read Marx and decided to follow his beliefs, you would vote republican.

Yes, Marx despised capitalism. However, he believed that the effective way of ending capitalism would be to let it run it's course. When capitalism brought things to hell, the proletariat masses would then bring about the revolution and start the transition from capitalism to utopia.

As a matter of fact, Marx thought that capitalism had to come before communism.


Thus, according to Marx, since voting republican would bring "capitalist" policy, you are speeding up the establishment of the communist society you dream of.

in 2008 Rush Limbaugh encouraged Conservatives to not support McCain, because he isnt a conservative, in the hopes that Obama would win, and liberalism would run it's course and usher in an era of conservatism. Guess there are some parallels here.

[Aeno]

Quite the leap of logic, OP. You took one piece of Marxism, stretched it out, and slapped it onto Republican figures. Can this be any more of a strawman?

Republicanism is inherently different than Marxism. Marxism wants the end of the lose/win factor of Capitalism, i.e., Capitalism itself. Republicans push for less regulations (not none, that's Libertarianism) but seek to keep Capitalism.

[Deleted]

Well, it looks like the Marxist experiment of communism killed more people than WWII and most every country except North Korea has abandoned it.

U have no idea what u are talking about

[Spectral]

Which Republicans are in favor of unfettered free-market capitalism? As near as I can tell, they're pretty big fans of big-government rent-seeking for large corporations.

[Mihalik]

Yes, Marx despised capitalism. However, he believed that the effective way of ending capitalism would be to let it run it's course. When capitalism brought things to hell, the proletariat masses would then bring about the revolution and start the transition from capitalism to utopia.

As a matter of fact *sic* Marx said nothing of the sorts.

According to Marx capitalism is a necessary prerequisite of communism because of capitalism's ability to create an abundance of resources. But whatever, I guess you just got into your own special college student phase.

[Sledfang]

The proletariat would also collapse their own system before long.

Shadow bourgeoisie would exist in communism anyways.

[Sledfang]

Who do I vote for if I believe in Darwinism?

Libertarians. Though with a high level of Darwinism I wouldn't want to live in Vegas, too many people and not enough natural resources.

[Nadiru]

That hasn't been the socialist stratagem for over 80 years. In the beginning, Socialists waited for Capitalism to collapse or for the masses to revolt, which didn't work at all. They then opted to create a Vanguard socialist state. Socialists tried two flavors at first: Industrial (the USSR) and Agrarian (the CCP) to see which worked better at causing other states to adopt socialism and/or cause other capitalist states to fail. These both ended in horrific failure. There was an off-shoot of socialists who went fundamentalist, "the revolution will come somehow, anyway" but they never got off the ground.

By the 70s, socialists took a different tack: They changed the ethical standards around from within Western universities, preaching that wealth was effectively bad instead of good, and preaching total equality instead of need-based equality (which is a deviation from Marx himself, you'll note.) Socialists lowered their ambitious aims as well, became more pragmatic and less dogmatic which meant they could recruit people who were not nominally socialist or marxist into their folds. These changes in approach led to the development of new philosophies which are nominally attached to socialism but were definitely invented by socialist schools of thought. Leftist environmentalism, postmodernist academia, and multiculturalism all sprang up right around then, and they've since taken on a life very much their own.

The "vote to make it worse" strategy is also known as the Cloward-Piven Strategy, and was originally conceived to push the US towards universal healthcare. And before you get all nitpicky about Socialism v. Marxism, Marx also believed that socialism was a necessary step to a communist state. Do your readings, folks.

Marx a shit, Bakunin 4 lyfe

[Sledfang]

Vegas is the perfect spot for Darwinism. So many homeless people I'll never starve should it come to that.

Lol, I guess they cant afford guns so it would work for a while. It would get extremely dry in summer though.

By the 70s, socialists took a different tack: They changed the ethical standards around from within Western universities, preaching that wealth was effectively bad instead of good, and preaching total equality instead of need-based equality (which is a deviation from Marx himself, you'll note.) Socialists lowered their ambitious aims as well, became more pragmatic and less dogmatic which meant they could recruit people who were not nominally socialist or marxist into their folds. These changes in approach led to the development of new philosophies which are nominally attached to socialism but were definitely invented by socialist schools of thought. Leftist environmentalism, postmodernist academia, and multiculturalism all sprang up right around then, and they've since taken on a life very much their own.

This is why the modern left won't work very well in the long run, they have too many different groups and ideologies. A diverse alliance can only come together successfully to fight a common foe. When that foe is gone, they will quickly become balkanized and dysfunctional.

In the future, Democrats will likely experience particularly increased levels of identity issues and in-fighting.