Erdogan says Muslims, not Columbus, discovered Americas

[Deleted]

Yeah but the Vikings were there even before that. Not to mention the indigenous people.

And Europeans from around France long before them.

[hellosaltygoodness]

it's about as equally stupid as saying Columbus discovered america. approximately 10,000 years after america was actually discovered.

[breadisfunny]

he's wrong the native americans discovered america. they were there before everyone else.

[Mystile]

People still think Colombus discovered America? That's sad

[breadisfunny]

People still think Colombus discovered America? That's sad

sadly our schools in our area still teach that colombus discovered america first for some reason.

[Korgoth]

Show me a map of the Americas pre-Columbus.

What is discovery without documentation.

[breadisfunny]

Show me a map of the Americas pre-Columbus.

What is discovery without documentation.

there are sites in canada dating from around the time of leif erickson and the vikings.

[Korgoth]

there are sites in canada dating from around the time of leif erickson and the vikings.

What I was trying to get at is that without documentation, without maps and charts, its not really discovered, as no one can really point to where it is, and would be lucky to make a journey there.

Like say if I look up into a telescope and see a new planet. Yet I cant point that planet out to anyone, I cant see it again myself, did I discover it? Or is the person who sees it later, who marks its location, who provides others a way to see it, the person who discovered it.

[Deleted]

Didn't technically native americans discover America first? They were they first people there.

[Denkou]

sadly our schools in our area still teach that colombus discovered america first for some reason.

I don't know how it is today but when I was in elementary school, we used to get Columbus Day off as a "holiday". It wasn't until I reached college that I learned the truth about Columbus.

[PACOX]

Discovered after people lived had already lived their for so long that their were a number of empires, states, nations, and diverse cultures that reach from Alaska to Argentina...

History depends on whoever is telling it.

[imabanana]

People still think Colombus discovered America? That's sad

As much as I dislike the guy, I understand what people say when they said he "discovered" America.

Maybe "discover" isn't the right term, other people definitely went there before him, but he's the one who really changed the world history when he set foot there, and who brought it to attention to the rest of the world. Vikings or Muslims or anyone else who's been there before didn't have really have any impact on humanity as a whole. What Columbus did did (by basically wrecking whole parts of it apart, but well, that's still a bigger impact than a few settlements in Greenland for example, even if they lasted for centuries).

[JaymzBond]

Erdogan's whack. Why do the Turks keep supporting the guy?

the sane ones dont. but they have all the government facilities under control, not much can be done against him

[Spectral]

I don't know anything about any Muslim voyage, but it's not exactly a crazy thing to mention that a lot of people sailed from Europe and Asia to North America before Columbus. It'd be more correct to say that Columbus initiated colonization and trade with the Americas than to say he "discovered" it.

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Discovered after people lived had already lived their for so long that their were a number of empires, states, nations, and diverse cultures that reach from Alaska to Argentina...

History depends on whoever is telling it.

I've never found this particular point to be compelling. If someone said, "hey guys, I just discovered this game, it's really cool", I wouldn't reply, "holy fuck, don't you realize that there are people that made that game, don't you think they discovered it just a bit before you???". Yes, we all realize that there were people in the Americas - as far as the bulk of Europe was concerned though, Columbus's voyages were discovery.

[Septik]

dont matter who found it, just matters who took it for their own. glad they did too!

[thoruga]

Not a big deal, there are some theories of other people visiting Americas. Unproven, but supported by documents nonetheless. And he exaggerates that in a South American Islam meeting and makes it a bigger deal than it actually is. For a politician it's as honest as they can get I guess

[Kalis]

And Europeans from around France long before them.

That theory has long been debunked, and was based on superficial similarities between stone implements.


OT: In order: the native peoples of the Americas > Vikings (though they failed to maintain a long term presence) > Columbus

[Deleted]

Person claiming it is a conservative muslim. I find this extremely subjective

[Airwaves]

Eh... Didn't the Native Indians discover it?

[Wildtree]

What I was trying to get at is that without documentation, without maps and charts, its not really discovered, as no one can really point to where it is, and would be lucky to make a journey there.

Like say if I look up into a telescope and see a new planet. Yet I cant point that planet out to anyone, I cant see it again myself, did I discover it? Or is the person who sees it later, who marks its location, who provides others a way to see it, the person who discovered it.

By that logic, we should celebrate the cartographers instead...
Columbus didn't make the excessive maps himself either. He had little to do with those.