Can Ending the Drug War and Legalizing (All) Drugs Reduce Illegal Immigration?

[Wells]

You seriously expect me to come up with an answer where they would go?

It was your argument. If you can't actually show where they'd go you're just handwaving.

[Deleted]

It was your argument. If you can't actually show where they'd go you're just handwaving.

No, it's not "handwaving", I'm not a fucking mindreader. I just know that criminals won't disappear magically just because you think they will when you legalize something, they'll move onto something else.

[Deleted]

It was your argument. If you can't actually show where they'd go you're just handwaving.

They'd continue with their other mainstays.

Smuggling, extortion, bribery, protection, kidnapping, contract killings.

It'd be nice to remove a cartels main earner, but not many depend on it as their main survival gig.

[Al Gorefiend]

No really, someone please educate me with their opinions on how a society with legal meth, heroin, cocaine and rufies would be easier to deal with than immigrants. I'm almost entertained.

[Vizardlorde]

Nuance is not your strong suit. Legalization will hurt cartel funding and help Mexico stabilize. A stable Mexico will lose fewer citizens to the US. This will of course take time.

People in poor counties will do w/e they can to increase their standard of living, we don't have drug cartels in Cuba yet myriads of people throw themselves to the sea or the naval base to get out of poverty. Our neighbor is happy to have had his leg blown off by a landmine since the people on the base took pity and brought him over to the US while the others that were with him that got caught were returned and sent to jail (my uncle was among them).

[Wells]

No, it's not "handwaving", I'm not a fucking mindreader. I just know that criminals won't disappear magically just because you think they will when you legalize something, they'll move onto something else.

Without money criminal organizations are easier to crush. Your magic fairy market is just a bad argument unless you can tell us what it is.

Smuggling, extortion, bribery, protection, kidnapping, contract killings.

The illegal drug trade in the US is worth several billion dollars a year. That's a lot of rich kids to kidnap to make up for.

[Tierbook]

Don't forget mining and resource extraction

[Wells]

No really, someone please educate me with their opinions on how a society with legal meth, heroin, cocaine and rufies would be easier to deal with than immigrants. I'm almost entertained.

How many people do you think want to do cocaine but only abstain because its illegal?

[Deleted]

Without money criminal organizations are easier to crush. Your magic fairy market is just a bad argument unless you can tell us what it is.

No, I'm not some kind of fucking criminologist expert, you expect people to come up with some kind of fucking study when they say anything it seems, it's getting really absurd. We both know they won't magically go away just because you hope they will. It's delusional to think they wouldn't move onto other things.

[Al Gorefiend]

How many people do you think want to do cocaine but only abstain because its illegal?

How many kids abstain from alcohol because it's illegal?

[Shadowmelded]

Relevant; http://www.theguardian.com/global-de...-peru-thailand

[TZK203]

How many people do you think want to do cocaine but only abstain because its illegal?

Plus, couldn't government mandates make what we believe to extremely addictive drugs less lethal and perhaps less addictive, etc., since a lot of the illegal drugs that are traded daily are laced with other hardcore substances? If they did, the drug industry would be elastic as fuck, so total revenue would go down.

[Wells]

No, I'm not some kind of fucking criminologist expert, you expect people to come up with some kind of fucking study when they say anything it seems, it's getting really absurd. We both know they won't magically go away just because you hope they will. It's delusional to think they wouldn't move onto other things.

I expect you to explain how your theories would actually play out. Not exactly a huge burden.

How many kids abstain from alcohol because it's illegal?

In my experience? Almost none.

[Deleted]

I expect you to explain how your theories would actually play out. Not exactly a huge burden.

Oh, you mean like you haven't when you go "hurr, this will have a huge impact on illegal immigration"? You're nothing but some idealist dreamer who thinks the world will be nice once you fix "the bad guys". Things don't get solved magically just because you remove one part of the equation.

[Wells]

Oh, you mean like you haven't when you go "hurr, this will have a huge impact on illegal immigration"? You're nothing but some idealist dreamer who thinks the world will be nice once you fix "the bad guys". Things don't get solved magically just because you remove one part of the equation.

Keep flailing against that strawman there buddy.

[Deleted]

The illegal drug trade in the US is worth several billion dollars a year. That's a lot of rich kids to kidnap to make up for.

And the extortion trade is their second highest earning, followed by kidnapping and resource extraction.

Lets assume we made all drugs legal though to undermine them, it'd work, that'd create a short-term vacuum where they'd struggle to adapt for a period, but most experts agree they'd continue to exist and continue to diversify their portfolios.

Probably aggressively expanding into further exploitation of natural resources.

And that's everything from mining, slave labor, lumber, oil ect.

Markets worth billions upon billions.

[Conspicuous Cultist]

They all really came here for Texas's sweet ass tea.

[Deleted]

Keep flailing against that strawman there buddy.

There is no strawman. You haven't explained how legalizing it would actually lead to less immigration, you're just being an idealist and express somethign you think will reduce the immigration. THINK. It won't happen. We can see this in other parts of the world. Countries which are stable but the quality of life is shit so people move. This won't change if you legalize drugs or keep them illegal.

[Wells]

And the extortion trade is their second highest earning, followed by kidnapping and resource extraction.

Lets assume we made all drugs legal though to undermine them, it'd work, that'd create a short-term vacuum where they'd struggle to adapt for a period, but most experts agree they'd continue to exist and continue to diversify their portfolios.

Probably aggressively expanding into further exploitation of natural resources.

And that's everything from mining, slave labor, lumber, oil ect.

Markets worth billions upon billions.

Sure, I'm not saying you wouldn't need proactive efforts to deal with them still. It would still mean a lot of hard work. But removing a major financial asset will do a lot to provide to opportunities necessary.

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There is no strawman. You haven't explained how legalizing it would actually lead to less immigration, you're just being an idealist and express somethign you think will reduce the immigration. THINK. It won't happen. We can see this in other parts of the world. Countries which are stable but the quality of life is shit so people move. This won't change if you legalize drugs or keep them illegal.

I've addressed literally everything in this post already. You're over your head mooneye.

[Tradewind]

Distributing drugs should be criminal considering that people can die from the drugs, even on the first try.

I didn't say anything about distributing, I am referring to consumption.