ShadowCraft Discussion Thread

[Deafyx]

Was browsing ShC tool today comparing my Rogue with my guild mate, and one of the top Rogues on my server and found something really weird that I can not understand right now.

A 726 Rogue (Suthix on Sargeras) is getting 2587.1 DPS out of his ring proc, while my guild mate who is only 720 (Fabific on Sargeras) is getting a whopping 6912.5 DPS from his Ring proc. I get close to Suthix's Ring proc damage myself with 2314.2 DPS being 717 at the moment. The only really big thing I can notice is that Fabific has a large amount of Mastery compared to me and Suthix, could that be why?

I am not real savy with sims and shit, so figured this would be the place to ask about the large difference with the Ring proc. The only thing I could think of was the Mastery giving him bigger Evis into the ring than ours, but what do I know.

[fierydemise]

A 726 Rogue (Suthix on Sargeras) is getting 2587.1 DPS out of his ring proc, while my guild mate who is only 720 (Fabific on Sargeras) is getting a whopping 6912.5 DPS from his Ring proc. I get close to Suthix's Ring proc damage myself with 2314.2 DPS being 717 at the moment. The only really big thing I can notice is that Fabific has a large amount of Mastery compared to me and Suthix, could that be why?.

I'm not seeing that at all.

Suthix: http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/us...X0ZEuBoLwV018=

Fabific: http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/us...eMOinIY/ISfQM=

ShC is showing 2587.1 dps from Maalus procs for Suthix and 2248.6 for Fabfic which seems roughly consistent given the differences in gear level.

[Deafyx]

I'm not seeing that at all.

Suthix: http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/us...X0ZEuBoLwV018=

Fabific: http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/us...eMOinIY/ISfQM=

ShC is showing 2587.1 dps from Maalus procs for Suthix and 2248.6 for Fabfic which seems roughly consistent given the differences in gear level.

Something was off last night then. Fabific was showing around 74k DPS simmed, now only 68. This is so confusing lol

[Riverr]

Something was off last night then. Fabific was showing around 74k DPS simmed, now only 68. This is so confusing lol

Update: You may of had multiple adds in one profile, where as none in the other. That was my issue for blademaster coming up as BIS for assass.

[Noore57]

Sublety - buff food: multistrike vs felmouth

In the icy veins guide felmouth is only recommended for Fel-Lord Zakuun.
When I check my char in shadowcraft felmouth frenzy is the best food.
Is icy veins guide "old news" and I should use felmouth on every boss?

[Deleted]

The thing is, that felmouth does not scale with adds bc it only applies its damage to your current target (at least thats what i get from reading wowhead comments). That is probably why it is not good for fights with adds/more targets. Im not sure why it is not recommended for iron reaver but probably there is more to it than only the single target exception.

[Deleted]

I was browsing SC for possible upgrades for my rogue, I stumbled across mythic warforged kazzak bracers. Those don't really exist.

edit: Neither does his cloak*

[fierydemise]

I was browsing SC for possible upgrades for my rogue, I stumbled across mythic warforged kazzak bracers. Those don't really exist.

edit: Neither does his cloak*

Have we mentioned the Blizzard API is terrible? The barely maintained Blizzard API returns warforged as a valid bonus ID for the kazzak items even though they can't be warforged and trying to special case around all the API issues from the UI would be a mess. Tamen let Blizzard know that the API is returning bad data a couple weeks ago but realistically it probably won't be fixed any time soon.
http://us.battle.net/en/forum/topic/18300627035

This brings up a big open project on the front end side, rewrite item database creation to use dbcs like SimC uses rather than relying on the Blizzard API. If you remember back to the BRF ilvl hotfix from earlier in the expansion the API wasn't updated for several months. This is something we'd like to avoid in the future.

[Deleted]

its not only warforged, its mythic warforged and therefore better than any hfc mythic loot. But I see the problem is not on your end.

[Valentyn]

Have we mentioned the Blizzard API is terrible? The barely maintained Blizzard API returns warforged as a valid bonus ID for the kazzak items even though they can't be warforged and trying to special case around all the API issues from the UI would be a mess. Tamen let Blizzard know that the API is returning bad data a couple weeks ago but realistically it probably won't be fixed any time soon.
http://us.battle.net/en/forum/topic/18300627035

This brings up a big open project on the front end side, rewrite item database creation to use dbcs like SimC uses rather than relying on the Blizzard API. If you remember back to the BRF ilvl hotfix from earlier in the expansion the API wasn't updated for several months. This is something we'd like to avoid in the future.

I just wanted to chime in and say that Kazzak can drop Warforged with a Socket. My Alt Monk got such a Chipped Soul Prism this week.

Here's his armoury link to verify
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...mokun/advanced

[nordveien]

Just noticed that in settings, under Raid Buffs, it says that Agility Flask adds 200 Agi. While top agi flask in game adds 250 Agi. Not sure if it's just an outdated tooltip, but thought I'd mention it here in case someone can still fix. TY

[Deleted]

Have we mentioned the Blizzard API is terrible? The barely maintained Blizzard API returns warforged as a valid bonus ID for the kazzak items even though they can't be warforged and trying to special case around all the API issues from the UI would be a mess. Tamen let Blizzard know that the API is returning bad data a couple weeks ago but realistically it probably won't be fixed any time soon.
http://us.battle.net/en/forum/topic/18300627035

This brings up a big open project on the front end side, rewrite item database creation to use dbcs like SimC uses rather than relying on the Blizzard API. If you remember back to the BRF ilvl hotfix from earlier in the expansion the API wasn't updated for several months. This is something we'd like to avoid in the future.

Actually, 2 of my alts have WF Kazzak cloaks. I got them both this last week, was pretty surprised when it happened. (I know it isn't enchanted, I got a better cloak, but I just wanted to show the WF kazzak one)

My paladin alt: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Arator/simple

[Deleted]

Can someone tell me why my assassination sim on shadowcraft is simming 2k dps higher than sub?

http://goo.gl/rSCG9S - assassination
http://goo.gl/iKq7qc - sub

[fierydemise]

Can someone tell me why my assassination sim on shadowcraft is simming 2k dps higher than sub?

http://goo.gl/rSCG9S - assassination
http://goo.gl/iKq7qc - sub

Short answer: each spec model in ShC is different and the results are not directly comparable between specs.

[InfernalDark]

ShadowCraft doesn't want to load my Warmongering gear, have to equip them manually. :<

[mikklas]

I just equipped them manually as well. It loaded my warmongering trinket, ring, pants and feet though -.-'

BUT IS THIS UP TO DATE? I mean... My sim rolls with 34.5k over a 2.5 minute fight. The ones I've fought in LFR (without wiping, so no buff there) I've been at 43k. I'm fairly sure I've checked the settings (except for the opener part, doesn't even change my dps anyway).



EDIT:
Just downloaded SimC instead and ran it there. It doesn't show me an option for prepot, pot and food, but only buffs. No clue if it is included, but even activating them only puts me on 37.6k dps in Shadowcraft. SimC tells me 42.948,2 dps, which is close to my raid finder dmg. It may be skada that's leaning a bit towards me, since I'm above the sim, but at least this appears to be more accurate. And no, I'm not using prepot, pot or mastery stacking before pull.

[Scharin]

[...]only puts me on 37.6k dps in Shadowcraft. SimC tells me 42.948,2 dps, which is close to my raid finder dmg.[/...]

Shadowcraft is no simulation site for your DPS, it's more to quicker see if pieces are an upgrade for you, and stat weights. If you want real simulated numbers, use SimCraft~, if you want quick lookup if a piece might be an upgrade, use ShadowCraft. Tho I think Fiery said he's putted ShadowCraft on hold for now until Legion. Since progress race is over and end of Xpac is closing in.

[mikklas]

Thank you, basically all I needed to know, thank you! That cleared up all the tiny questions as well.

In other words, I'll be using shadowcraft again, like I used to. I know that I'm performing somewhere near the top at least, so no reason to sim it until I actually have proper gear

[Deleted]

So when checking weapon enchants on my Character Agravakk - The Maelstrom it's giving higher dps when using mark of the thunderlord instead of frostwolf on sub

Tried switching between the two enchants and there was notable difference in opener damage in favor of thunderlord

Would this be because of high multistrike that I already have?