[HOLY] Fix my Heals!

[Deleted]

I personally would pick 4 set with a decent item level cloak over DoS every time. The stat upgrade from a 855 to a 890 is already half the necessary HPS needed to beat the cloak, so 4 set only has to compete with the other half of the effect which is less than 1.5% HPS which it should be able to beat fairly easily. It's also only temporary until you get tier helm (I presume) so there isn't a really high need to figure it out. The benefit of equipping it early is you get to play with 4 set which is a bit more fun and allows you to optimize your usage of it earlier.

Personally i really enjoy the 4set. Sure it's not always a raw hps increase because you don't always use the IoL charges. But on the later and harder fights augur/elisande/guldan mythic that i did it felt useful to have 2 big fol's. It simply provides more burst when you need it and otherwise it's just 2 faster hl casts. or hell sometimes i don't use both because i dps instead. Especially if you are doing anything below like 4/10 mythic i would advise to get the 4piece with like a heroic cloak and later on to switch back to the DoS. But that's just experience talking to hard math :P

And keep up the spreadsheet work it's nice to see.

[Broccoliz]

Hello wise and generous holy Paladin! I am the raid lead for my guild and we have mythic Krosus at 9%. Just trying to push dps and hps over the edge to get this kill. Both are currently struggling and I am reaching out to many to fix things. Specificallly for you, I am asking if you can suggest anything for our holy Paladin during Mythic Krosus.

Name: CuteTea on Stonemaul
Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...FkvX6#fight=32

Any non-toxic tips would be greatly appreciated. We have a lot to improve on!

[Tribas89]

He is using the wrong talents to start with , try with Aura of Sacrifice , Judgment of Light and Divine Purpose instead of Holy Avenger if he is having mana issues .. oh and he is casting Flash of Light way too much.

[Deleted]

Crusaders might + Judgement of light. IF he/she wants to run mercy fine. But at least he should wings+HA on pull and dps for 20 seconds with an old war pot. Then he can just pop his wings/HA on cooldown out of sync to heal. At 2mins you then have a sweet timing to pop wings and aura mastery. At 1:30 you have a sweet timing of popping HA just after the bridge breaks. A single judgment of light cast right before the slam/pitch is very effecient healing. There are logs available of other paladins doing similar stuff.

[Deleted]

Unbreakable Spirit is less bad on Krosus but they should still take Rule of Law.
Aura of Sacrifice vastly outperforms Mercy.
With AoS you want HA. Really strong synergy.
Definitely take JoL. You always want one in the raid, it's just that good.

Stats aren't in the best position. The crit:haste ratio should be more in favor of crit. Ideally the same holds true for mastery:versatility, but the damage reduction from versatility really helps when you don't have full traits. Getting more crit at the expense of some haste should be the main priority though.

In terms of spell selection:

This is highly inefficient. The only reason to use IoL on HL is if FoL would overheal too much to be efficient. Otherwise it should always be FoL. That means the ratio should be the other way around, at least.

Then, Flash of Light targets across all wipes:


vs. the #1 Holy Paladin log:


That bad.

Lastly, DPS is way too low.

[treice]

Heya fine folks who help heal the heals!

I think I have a problem, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I'm ilvl 868, but my heals seem to be really low. I just ran BRH +3 and my overall hps was 159,690 according to recount. I was actually beaten in overall healing done by our demon hunter tank.

I will admit I'm still getting used to using virtue over lightbringer, but everything else is pretty much the same. Any thoughts?

My armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...elnavar/simple

I apologize if I'm leaving anything out that is needed, first time I've ran into a problem like this since I started playing WoW so I'm not sure what you guys need from me .

[Deleted]

there is nothing to heal in brh3

[Deleted]

Hi All,

Hoping some can help me out here.

Character: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ndtrapz/simple
Example of Log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...aling&source=9

That's probably a generous log as I seemed to do well there, but i'm struggling on movement fights a lot.

I tend to DPS a lot getting 85%-95% percentile on Damage. I go with Crusader Strike Talent and Holy Prism to increase DPS.

Is it better to swap to Bestow? And also get rid of Holy Prism and change to Divine Purpose? I assume with T20 4piece Divine Purpose talent will almost be a must have?


All help appreciated.

Thanks.

[thoreaxe]

Hey Everyone!

I've been healing as pally since BC but lately I feel like my numbers have been lacking. Can anyone please throw some pointers my way maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...656475/latest/
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...horeaxe/simple

[EzG]

Hey Everyone!

I've been healing as pally since BC but lately I feel like my numbers have been lacking. Can anyone please throw some pointers my way maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...656475/latest/
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...horeaxe/simple

Honestly there isn't much that can be said. Your heroic parses are going to look a tad low because the ranks are bloated at this point and heroic raids generally take a lot less damage then they did when heroic first opened up. You use lightbringer which is OK, but most of the time BoF should beat it. I suggest getting more logs, as you are lacking, so that there is a more generalized picture of how you heal from week to week and not just a single lockout. I'm not going to look at normal logs because I find that information redundant with the amount of damage going out.

Some small things. You have bestow faith, but you don't use it. You are spending extended amounts of time doing nothing. All of your abilities can be cast more if not nonstop because your mana is never ending. Your cooldowns can also use a little more love, try to fit all possible casts in.

[Kochanski]

Hey Everyone!

I've been healing as pally since BC but lately I feel like my numbers have been lacking. Can anyone please throw some pointers my way maybe you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...656475/latest/
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...horeaxe/simple

Just a quick look while on lunch, you go with BoL but hardly cast LoD, LoD should be used pretty much on cd unless it clearly won't heal anyone even more so with BoL. Faith is arguable better than lightbringer in Nh so switching to that would help, saying that your beacon healing is pretty low probably due to you directly healing the tanks/generally overhealing the fights. I wouldn't say your numbers are that bad tho, I've been in pugs that 3 heal a 20 man raid and only done 300K hps on those fights (especially chrono with the zero tactic) because unless people are playing awful there just isn't that much to heal.

[Deleted]

Heya!

I am a pretty casual player but my guild is a mythic raiding guild and I sometime get the chance to go with them. The problem is I am getting so bad logs, we dont wipe or anything so maybe it is because the other healers are so good but still. I know I can cast LoD more but it is still just 10m more healing from it from the other hpala.

I am around 905 ilvl depending on trinkets etc.

Log: warcraftlogs.com/reports/TrJGqMNjXAKnZwF7#fight=23&type=summary
Armory: eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/sylvanas/Okandis/simple

(Sorry not allowed to post links)

And I also wondering about what trinket to use. I look at a spreadsheet and it says the cake is best but I dont feel I get to much out of it.

The trinket to choose from:

Cake ilvl 895
Chrono shard ilvl 890
Ephemeral Paradox with soc ilvl 905
Flask of the Solemn Night ilvl 890

Cheers!

[Kochanski]

Heya!

I am a pretty casual player but my guild is a mythic raiding guild and I sometime get the chance to go with them. The problem is I am getting so bad logs, we dont wipe or anything so maybe it is because the other healers are so good but still. I know I can cast LoD more but it is still just 10m more healing from it from the other hpala.

I am around 905 ilvl depending on trinkets etc.

Log: warcraftlogs.com/reports/TrJGqMNjXAKnZwF7#fight=23&type=summary
Armory: eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/sylvanas/Okandis/simple

(Sorry not allowed to post links)


Cheers!

Just looking at krosus fight, the entire difference in healing is from beacon, LoD and aura of sacrifice. Running 2 hpala usually results in 1 having a net loss on beacon, also some "bad luck" factors in like your heal landing when tanks are topped, tho even accounting for overheal you did 20m less beacon healing, basically make better use of your infused flashes, use LoD more especially on krosus where it shines and time your aura better to get full use of it like he did.

Looking at the other fights it doesn't seem you are performing that badly tho tbh, tho do wonder why they 5 heal some of those fights..

[Deleted]

Just looking at krosus fight, the entire difference in healing is from beacon, LoD and aura of sacrifice. Running 2 hpala usually results in 1 having a net loss on beacon, also some "bad luck" factors in like your heal landing when tanks are topped, tho even accounting for overheal you did 20m less beacon healing, basically make better use of your infused flashes, use LoD more especially on krosus where it shines and time your aura better to get full use of it like he did.

Looking at the other fights it doesn't seem you are performing that badly tho tbh, tho do wonder why they 5 heal some of those fights..

Thanks for the reply!

To make better use of my beacon you mean that I should heal non-tanks more to get more out of the beacon, right?

[Ladyoftheforest]

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...líne/advanced
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...=-1&metric=hps

Hi, friday was the first time going into Nighthold Heroic as a Holy Paladin (890-891). My co-healers existed of a Holy Priest (903) and another Holy Paladin (899). I realize that sometimes dying hurts my hps, but still I was disappointed to see how low my percentile looked. Especially since I had decent percentiles in Emerald Nightmare (normal):
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...hps&bracket=-1 and Trial of Valor https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...hps&bracket=-1.

Im not sure if it's my playstyle that also revolves around using Bestow Faith/Light of the Martyr when HS is on cooldown. It also didn't help that we had another Holy paladin in the team. My overhealing seems to be very low which might indicate that I'm not aggressive enough with my spells? My hope is to improve more and more to help my guildies. Any help and feedback would be greatly appreciated!

[Deleted]

You could've easily cut a healer, maybe two, so HPS is obviously not gonna be good.

Sanctified Wrath is bad, Divine Purpose is only useful for mana conservation (i.e. bad), Promises is a terrible trinket, LotM is a terrible spell, your Beacon healing is way too low (you directly heal tanks too much), your buff uptimes are pitiful (entire fights without Wings, Food, Pots).

If you have Ilterendi or Velens use them over one of your legendaries.

[Sangriaa]

Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Jessixa/simple
Worldoflogs Link: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hbVgLWnKCRZ2cJNP

I'm completely brand spanking new to healing; I've never even had a Paladin before. I've been looking at logs of other H Paladins, trying to mimic the same set-up and asking guildies who have played H Paladins before. I'm still feeling kinda lost on stuff and unsure of my choices during an encounter. I'm still trying to learn the raid awareness while healing, that's a big thing I've never had to do before since I've only been DPS. My guild runs at least 1 resto druid and we cycle around using a resto shaman or an additional resto druid (or pug a healer) and then myself. We have normal NH on farm and are working on cleaning up some heroic fights and doing H Guldan. I have only done 6 heroic bosses so far and only once or twice.

I'm looking for advice overall on ability usage, buff uptimes, addons, keybinds, and stay raid aware with focus on healing still... I guess the gambit.

I appreciate any help, thanks!

[Viriel]

Can anyone else please have a look at the warcraft logs please? More detailed feedback would be lovely.
Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...líne/advanced
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ranking...=-1&metric=hps

Your links dont work sadly, but to add onto treeqt:

Yes, always JoL, unless youre dpsing.
Yes, LotM is "good and usefull", but in very specific situations. I.e.: Shock on cd, on the move, someone will die if you dont LotM.(Helya, Guldan M). In all other cases, its better to plan your movement and flash.
Cooldowns not used at all is such a massive waste I dont even want to talk about it.
HA> DP output wise(At the cost of mana), simply because it gives you control. It's a great cooldown, both for dps and hps, that syncs well with sacrifice. DP proccing when you dont need would make me tilt of the planet personally.

Armory Link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Jessixa/simple
Worldoflogs Link: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hbVgLWnKCRZ2cJNP

I'm completely brand spanking new to healing; I've never even had a Paladin before. I've been looking at logs of other H Paladins, trying to mimic the same set-up and asking guildies who have played H Paladins before. I'm still feeling kinda lost on stuff and unsure of my choices during an encounter. I'm still trying to learn the raid awareness while healing, that's a big thing I've never had to do before since I've only been DPS. My guild runs at least 1 resto druid and we cycle around using a resto shaman or an additional resto druid (or pug a healer) and then myself. We have normal NH on farm and are working on cleaning up some heroic fights and doing H Guldan. I have only done 6 heroic bosses so far and only once or twice.

I'm looking for advice overall on ability usage, buff uptimes, addons, keybinds, and stay raid aware with focus on healing still... I guess the gambit.

I appreciate any help, thanks!

Starting with your armory:

Again, I massively prefer HA over DP, for reasons stated above. Mana is almost never an issue(Guldan would be one)
Crit could be higher, I'd try and get tierchest(Which has crit), and get a critcloak, same goes for bracers. We like our crit very much.

Logwise:

- On every fight on the log you linked youre missing 25-35% of your potential holy shocks
- You seem to be experimenting with Aura of Sacrifice, but it seems to be not working that well. Remember that Aura mastery copies the healing you do, and that LoD
does not work with it. Ideally you'd combo it with a HA or wings, precast Tyr's and Bestow faith, and then shock -> flash -> flash.
- 3/10 bosses you did not use wings on, and on Guldan you used it once in 8 minutes. I know a fight like skorpyron is short, but try to use your cooldowns!

Apart from that, hps/parsingswise you are fine for someone who has recently started.

A good place to visit would be the Paladin Discord has some really nice info, tips and tools you can use:-)

[Cataclysm11]

Hello there. I am currently having problems healing on my Pally. It seems like im not up to snuff when it goes to doing good on my HPS. Healing done. Also some times i am not doing so great on the mechanical side of things and i do die a little bit. Mech wise i need to learn better.. but im wondering more or less how to get my Healing up better to assist my raid group.

Toons name : Hèarthledger
Armory Link: us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/H%C3%A8arthledger/advanced
Worldoflogs Link:
warcraftlogs.com/reports/vmD3FYBMbNTPH12Q
warcraftlogs.com/reports/bdGnKPMYFQjRvWVD

[clutchh]

Hello there. I am currently having problems healing on my Pally. It seems like im not up to snuff when it goes to doing good on my HPS. Healing done. Also some times i am not doing so great on the mechanical side of things and i do die a little bit. Mech wise i need to learn better.. but im wondering more or less how to get my Healing up better to assist my raid group.

Toons name : Hèarthledger
Armory Link: us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/H%C3%A8arthledger/advanced
Worldoflogs Link:
warcraftlogs.com/reports/vmD3FYBMbNTPH12Q
warcraftlogs.com/reports/bdGnKPMYFQjRvWVD

Took a look at your second link, skorp kill.

First, the trink you're using is straight shit. Second, Holy Prism is bad. I mean, really bad. You're much better off taking Holy Avenger, or even DP on fights that may require a lot of healing that go beyond your normal mana pool+ a channeled leytorrent. Your raid group is also pretty small, which may play a small part in this.

Your talents are also all fucked, don't take Devo unless you're on M Star Auger or a fight requires your raid team to use a raid wide damage reduction(this shouldn't ever be the case), Sac or Mercy are much better alternatives. Take Judgement of light, use it on CD or when your charges are coming close to falling off. Crusaders Might also does absolutely nothing to improve overall HPS.

Here's one of my logs from March for comparison: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...6&type=healing

You can also watch the replay of the fight to see my spell casts live here:https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...=6&view=replay

Just click on Methyltren then press play.