Are Holy Paladins Just Tanker Healers Or Not?

[Limmy]

Are you wiping? was this due to the tank dieing? if yes, stay on tank
if no, why are you wiping?
enrage time? blame on dps
dps dieing? blame other healers
if not wiping, and leader is just looking at healing meters then just say "ok", but continue what you were doing

[Volitar]

Just beacon the tanks and heal other people. tank healing achieved. also your RL is a retard

[Hyve]

They're strong tank Healers, but by no means is that their only strength.

[Zantos]

That I get but what I don't get is why I Am still being told to heal those 2 and only those 2 targets ><.

Because you're raid leader is an idiot obviously. Just heal whoever you want and focus on the tanks during high tank damage.

[l33t]

Woah, some people are just stuck in BC, I guess. Your RL should really read some modern info on raiding. Nowadays all healers are at the same time tank healers and raid healers.

[Hyve]

Woah, some people are just stuck in BC, I guess. Your RL should really read some modern info on raiding. Nowadays all healers are at the same time tank healers and raid healers.

I want to just make clear though, that some Healers are obviously stronger and better suited to certain roles depending on the situation. Paladins are stronger Tank healers than Monks, but that doesn't mean Monks ignore Tanks and focus on Raid Healing.

As you said, those days are long gone, but it's also silly to ignore strengths of certain classes.

[Dubalicious]

People are too "anti-assignment" imo after the last couple expansions of rampant smart-healing.

If tanks are consistently dying, or in serious need of extra attention, it makes perfect sense to assign somebody to them.

Everybody is criticizing the RL, but nobody even knows what OP's fellow healers are or anything else about the situation. Hell, maybe the RL wants OP healing tanks because he thinks OP is the only one capable of it.

[l33t]

I want to just make clear though, that some Healers are obviously stronger and better suited to certain roles depending on the situation. Paladins are stronger Tank healers than Monks, but that doesn't mean Monks ignore Tanks and focus on Raid Healing.
As you said, those days are long gone, but it's also silly to ignore strengths of certain classes.

Yes, of course Paladins have more efficient tools to heal tanks. They are healing tanks even when they are healing random raiders
That does not means that a holypala must sit on tanks and spam divine light, obviously. When shit hits the fan and tanks take lots of damage (Butcher says 'ello), it is no more a task for one healer to deal with it. Every possible healer switches to saving and healing tanks who are on a verge on dying. Same stuff with raid healing.

Moreso, most tanks nowadays have their own ways to heal or preshield incoming damage, so having a pala spamming direct heals on tanks and doing nothing but taht will lead to that pala being active kind of 20% of encounter time...

[Obsession]

They are still one of the strongest, if not THE strongest, tank healer.
That said, they are not at all limited to that.

We're only a contender for that because we can tank heal while raid healing because of beacons. We're actually very, very bad at strictly tank healing now because the beacon tax on our heals.

[Deleted]

I'm using double beacon talent, stick my beacons on tanks and just heal who needs healing...for mana conservation you should just spam holy light on tank that takes dmg (bcs you get 40% mana refund) same for flash of light. I usually do that while casting holy shock / eternal flame on other raid members who need heals. Works like a charm and I'm always the top healer no matter the raid size Destrobuu-Silvermoon (got pvp talents atm)

[nightfalls]

People are too "anti-assignment" imo after the last couple expansions of rampant smart-healing.

If tanks are consistently dying, or in serious need of extra attention, it makes perfect sense to assign somebody to them.

Everybody is criticizing the RL, but nobody even knows what OP's fellow healers are or anything else about the situation. Hell, maybe the RL wants OP healing tanks because he thinks OP is the only one capable of it.

That is true, but I think there's a distinction between "assignment" and "assigned to tunnel" - though it might not be clear from OP which is exactly the context here.

Even after the tank squish and rampant dumbing-down of smart-healing, if tanks are consistently requiring tunneling on every fight (versus some extra focus on some fights), it's probably the problem of the tank, and not the lack of babysitting.

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We're actually very, very bad at strictly tank healing now because the beacon tax on our heals.

Yeah, from what I can tell, if you don't take advantage of Beacon (meaning healing off-Beacons as well), what's the point versus taking a Paladin versus a Disc Priest or Resto Shaman, which can tunnel-heal infinitely better? It's basically not playing with one of Paladin's greatest strengths this expansion o.o

[PosPosPos]

Raid leaders and healing officers generally don't care what you actually do in raids as long as the targets you are assigned to keep alive stay alive.

[Deleted]

Raid leaders and healing officers generally don't care what you actually do in raids as long as the targets you are assigned to keep alive stay alive.

Trust me there is more officers who are crazy about logs and all they care is HPS and no other traits that healer has.

[nsgid]

Just a quick question I thought I'd ask, is it best to macro beacon to FoL and HL that way I get refunded mana? Or should I just leave the beacons on the tanks permanently and spam the shit out of HL and EF/HS? and never use HR unless my mana is fine, correct?


One more quick question, is LoD even worth using? I mean yeah its a free heal at 3+hp, but it feels extremely weak

[Deleted]

Healing only the tanks means you're only really using one beacon
Just heal everyone else, you'll do 30% less tank healing but 30% more overall.
Should only need to really go heavy on the tanks if it's a mechanic for it, like impale.

No... No... No...!!!! Impale(and mostly tank debuff) is very easy to counter. remember paladin have talent Hand of Purity("reducing damage taken by 10% and damage over time by an additional 80% for 6 sec") you should use it well honey.

I still dont understand why that talent underrated...!? with only 30 sec cd while impale cd is 45 sec. it's fu*king OP.

[Irisel]

Holy paladins are probably the best healer right now. They've been top two for years now.

[Deleted]

Holy paladins are probably the best healer right now. They've been top two for years now.

I think Disc Priest is above us if you looking at HPS and we are second. but mana wise we still win.

[deneweth]

The way healing was restructured so that in theory people spend the majority of the fight between 0 and 100% instead of constantly spamming the highest HPS spell with no regard for mana. The idea of healing assignments seems a bit archaic to me, especially considering how easy it is to just beacon up the the tanks and eternal flame/shield them and spot heal the raid. I guess it depends on the fight and the content though.

[PosPosPos]

I think Disc Priest is above us if you looking at HPS and we are second. but mana wise we still win.

Untrue because of 2% solace.

Trust me there is more officers who are crazy about logs and all they care is HPS and no other traits that healer has.

It's your problem if you don't find a guild that looks past pure throughput.

[Deleted]

To answer just look at the logs and see who healed the tanks... Tbh i think this is the strongest point that pala brings in raid along with steady hps.