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    Hopefully someone else has said this to the OP already, but if not, here goes -
    When you make a new character, you are not making a new Present Day character, you are making one that existed in the time period in which the content they experience was relevant. So all Blood Elves enter the world in the mindset of events as they stood the very first day of tBC.
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    As said before, it makes sense that they are still with the Horde. There are many reasons for that. Well, Horde helped them when they needed help the most. That's why they joined in the first place. Then there is their tiny hatred towards the humans. Oh, and Sylvanas blackmailing Lorthemar is one thing.

    But when Garrosh started to mess around and threat everyone, blood elves actually considered joining to the Alliance. But well... Aethas and Jaina kinda ruined that plan. And now, Vol'jin as warchief and Garrosh in a galaxy far far away, blood elves are totally happy. Lor'themar clearly respects Vol'jin and his leadership.

    Blood elves will never be like tauren or trolls, to whom Horde is the meaning of their lives. No, blood elves like to do their own business somewhere. Much like the Forsaken. But they still stick with the Horde, and will continue to do so, unless Vol'jin turns Lor'themar into a frog. That would be... not so good...

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    Oh, and obviously Blizz can't change blood elves to Alliance race, because that would mess lots of things. So there is that too.

  3. #63
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    Easy, Sylvanas is no longer a high or blood elf. She's a banshee (Albeit, one that has managed to reclaim her body). Her 1st loyalties are to the forsaken, not the Blood Elves.

    Also somebody earlier mention Jaina was wanting to "genocide" the Blood Elves. As far as I remember, it was specifically the Sunreavers she wanted to CAPTURE, because they had betrayed the Kirin Tor, in their own city. Yes she was happy for us to kill them...IF they resisted.
    But the Alliance players taking part in that scenario were never ordered to just out and murder them. Frankly, any deaths suffered by a Sunreaver are their own fault, I don't imagine death is a better option than being locked in the Violent Hold, especially given that the sunreavers themselves, as evidence by the arch mage's reactions during the ToT solo sceanrios, were fully comfortable with Garrosh's orders.

    And if you revisit the main source for the Blood Elves moving away from the Alliance, Garithos...well, that was one man that was never in charge of the entire Alliance (In fact, he was in charge of a very small part of the Alliance army). It's not like the Forsaken were kicked out of the Horde for the actions of one of their number during the wrath gate, eh? Also, keep in mind that alot of the "issues" were from kael'Thas...someone who was later revealed to be Burning legion, and probably never really ahd the Blood Elves best interests in mind.


    Overall, I think if lore wasn't constrained by gameplay, the blood elves may well have re-joined the alliance ages ago. But that can't happen while WoW is active unless in lore the factions cease to matter.
    Vereesa orders to go kill an elf who wants to take their money out of the bank, merchants and orders to incapacitate dragonhawks elves can not escape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banestalker View Post
    ut after their redemption story in BC they slowly returned to their noble past, now they're basically High Elves again. hell, they're even nobler because now they use light as an energy source and not arcane. imo lorewise there's nothing that explains their loyalty to Horde now, they're neighbors of Forsaken who have a hatred for everything that has a beating heart, their allies in Kalimdor are savage tribals.
    The BElfs were necessary for the Horde. There was a population imbalance in Vanilla and BElfs gave the Horde the human-like race it needed. The problem here is is one shared by ALL the Horde races.

    They need some reason to stick together. Some better reason than the little we've been given. "Just because" is not really a satisfactory answer. Ideally, it'd be an answer that can extend to new races as well. Something that they can offer that the Alliance cannot.

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    Who needs an ally that switches side to where the wind blows? Blood elves stay with the horde because they are allies, not dicks.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Its not like they can make them allaince now, its way too late for that.

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    I can't see Blood Elves going Alliance anymore. During Garrosh's reign they nearly went over, but every Horde leader was about ready to just go their own way during that period. After Jaina's purge, Blood Elves aren't going anywhere near the Alliance. They took that personally.

    Plus, going Alliance and suddenly being enemies with the Forsaken just because they're Horde would be a bit of bullshit. The Forsaken, for as villainous as some make them out to be, have never betrayed the Blood Elves. Sylvanas isn't erratic, as some would describe, because she has very clear reasons for making the decisions she makes. She may be aggressive and someone who likes to stir the pot, but she really hasn't shown herself to be anything like the unstable threat people make her out to be.

    She may talk shit, but so far the Forsaken have been pretty good allies to the Blood Elves.

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    lol at those retarded teories
    the only real reason to put blood elves into horde was becasue of faction ballance back in vanilla, it was blizzard offical statement!
    more West side america, europe players choose to play attractive human-alike alliance, while East asia side played more ugliest horde,
    so horde recive some beaty in their allies, while alliance some space goats
    and then there comes lore making those things fit the game... the end
    so they put a little minoroty of blood elves to develop which mostly gone to outland, instead of high elves who still left on sunwell, which alliance still have and those can be easily made into alliance race
    Last edited by Zstr; 2014-12-27 at 02:53 PM.

  9. #69
    if someone wants to play elves in the alliance can do. The Alliance has playable elves.

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    Let's be honest it's all for gaming balance now. Heck, there isn't even a good reason for the Horde and Alliance to still be at each other's throats lol, and there's been many expansions where it made no sense either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arceuid View Post
    why completely ignore their ties to the forsaken via lady sylvanas?
    Because Sylvanas forced the Blood Elves into going to war in Northrend when they did not have the numbers to do so, and furthermore she threatened to raise fallen Blood Elves as Forsaken in Siege of Orgrimmar.

    Their ''ties'' aren't exactly strong at the moment.

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    It's not that weird if you look at their history a bit. The high/blood elves have always been fair weather friends and would rather answer only to themselves if the world was that kind to them.

    It's isn't though. Being neutral hasn't worked out that well for them in the past and Kael and Theron both recognized that allies are important. Their reasoning was never "I like this set of races more than this other set of races," it was "this alliance is better for our people right now."

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    Quote Originally Posted by banestalker View Post
    yes but all of that loses color in long-term
    screwing someone over has no expiration date
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    If it was considered difficult to justify the presence of the Blood Elves when they were fel corrupted within the Horde. Gonna be funny to see what blizz pulls out of their bag of tricks to explain the purified Blood Elves in the Horde.However just because they are no longer using fel magic does not mean they are all nice and peaceful, not at all.

    Yes they are High Elves now, but they always were. Just because the humans that are members of the Defias Brothehood don't give a damn about the alliance and do questionable things,doesn't mean they are not humans.

    Overall the Blood Elves do not really fit in either faction,just like Forsaken , Night Elves and dare i say Draenei also.But they are here to stay.

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    because Horde needs a pretty race and I want my Horde DK to be sexy BE girl and not some muscled oaf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    No, you can't have our Blood Elves, you Alliance scum!
    What is this...it's like you've cut through all the sophistry to the heart of the matter.



    The above is wrong. It is just, wrong. Things are not how they should be. No matter what stories blizzard tells or the fact it is their universe, it remains wrong.



    The above is how it should be. Fantasy must conform to rigid guidelines set out seventy years with no deviation whatsoever. Look at them, all together and pretty and just and ready to smite the ugly beasts on the other side.

  17. #77
    Lor'themar has already voiced his frustration on the matter. His plans to amend their relationship with the Alliance were foiled by Jaina's imprisonment and slaughter of his people in Dalaran. As stated by him, the Alliance is pushing them closer to the Horde.

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    Your argument for it "not making sense" seems to entirely be that BElves don't feed on fel magic anymore.

    Somehow I doubt that alone will make either the Blood Elves suddenly WANT to side with the alliance, especially after the bullshit the Kirin'tor and Jaina have been doing to them over the course of MOP, nor the Alliance suddenly decide "hey, you know those blood elves we've been fighting for years? We should totally buddy up with them now that they're smoking a different brand!

    Removing ONE of the multiple, original reasons for BElves and Alliance not being able to work together doesn't magically sweep away all of the others that existed then or built up over the years. Hell, even if they DID wipe away every reason to not side with the Alliance, would you really want to flip when you're so close and intwined with the Forsaken? Sounds like a good way of repeating W3's wrecking of their homeland.

  19. #79
    Yeah, Jaina pretty much ruined any chance for the Blood Elves to ever join the Alliance again. What happened in Dalaran was basically a lesser version of what Garithos tried to pull in Frozen Throne. Opening old wounds at its finest.

    Anyway, lorewise it's better for the Elves to stay with the Horde. Just imagine how much power the Alliance would have if they control the 2 major cities of magic (and let's be honest, magic is where it's at)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malacras View Post
    Yeah, Jaina pretty much ruined any chance for the Blood Elves to ever join the Alliance again. What happened in Dalaran was basically a lesser version of what Garithos tried to pull in Frozen Throne. Opening old wounds at its finest.

    Anyway, lorewise it's better for the Elves to stay with the Horde. Just imagine how much power the Alliance would have if they control the 2 major cities of magic (and let's be honest, magic is where it's at)!
    that's when thrall would go "By the power of Metzen" and kamehameha wave the alliance to dust.

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