Please help our mage!

[Wooting]

So we have 2 mages, one hasnt been present lately due to holidays but hes constantly 24k+ on all fights. Now Lothane our other mage running the same spec cant seem to be higher than 18k per boss fight and hovers around 19-20k.

He generally seems like a smart guy and never messes up mechanics but his numbers are just crazy low.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/19843
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Lothane/simple

He misses a lot of raids himself due to being sick, but can anyone help me help him? Hes a great guy and I hate benching him but the other mages with similar gear are always 5-6k more dps then him and I dont know if hes just over thinking mechanics and not casting enough or what.

[Deleted]

First of all, minor things but may help:
Get a 50 Multistrike Gem in Gloves
Upgrade the 35 multistrike gem on staff to 50 Multistrike

Now regarding playstyle:
Possibly due to poor prysmatic crystal placement he may be losing out on ALOT of DPS therefore i'd suggest switching it out for thermal void as it is easier and the output is roughly the same if not different at all. Is he using water jet 50% through a frostbolt cast to get that extra stack of fingers of frost? He is using 2 trinkets that are on use, it would be much better for him to have one with a procc or one with solid stats.

What is his priority? it would help alot if he would be willing to help put this thread together as the information we have is extremely vague to work with.

[Wooting]

yea I gotta talk to him more about his priority then ill get back to you on that, very useful tips though so far thank you so much!

[Ponk]

I think Imperator is a fight that's harder to judge dps on for a variety of reasons. I have no doubts that your mage can definitely improve greatly on Imperator, but looking at a Butcher log is probably a better idea at this point, if just to find fundamental mistakes in his play.

• His first Prismatic Crystal(PC) is 26 seconds into the fight? I'm not sure what he was waiting for, but he should be using crystal very shortly after the pull.
• Lost a global on PC because he cast frost orb during PC uptime. Frost orb should be cast the global before PC
• Lost another global on PC when he cast MI during PC uptime
• He cast all of his cooldowns approx 1.5 seconds before PC ended, and then started a Frostbolt cast on the dying PC, resulting in a cancelled cast. Waiting till after PC to cast cooldowns is a huge misplay.
• Waited to cast Bloodfury until 1:22
• Cast his second Frost orb ~10 seconds after he cast his second PC

Going to stop there and just say that the biggest thing he needs to work on is proper cooldown usage. It doesn't look to me like he has any real idea of how to use them properly, and is losing a lot of dps because of it.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm probably going to get corrected by one of the better mages on this forum. I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about, but take what I said with a grain of salt until another mage says something along the same lines.

EDIT2: I also forgot to mention the log that I'm looking at - https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...events&fight=4

[kaelleria]

The biggest thing I can see is he's bad at using his cooldowns effectively. He's missing a few PCs, IV's and MI's every fight and that's killing his dps.

[royals]

I think Imperator is a fight that's harder to judge dps on for a variety of reasons. I have no doubts that your mage can definitely improve greatly on Imperator, but looking at a Butcher log is probably a better idea at this point, if just to find fundamental mistakes in his play.

• His first Prismatic Crystal(PC) is 26 seconds into the fight? I'm not sure what he was waiting for, but he should be using crystal very shortly after the pull.
• Lost a global on PC because he cast frost orb during PC uptime. Frost orb should be cast the global before PC
• Lost another global on PC when he cast MI during PC uptime
• He cast all of his cooldowns approx 1.5 seconds before PC ended, and then started a Frostbolt cast on the dying PC, resulting in a cancelled cast. Waiting till after PC to cast cooldowns is a huge misplay.
• Waited to cast Bloodfury until 1:22
• Cast his second Frost orb ~10 seconds after he cast his second PC

Going to stop there and just say that the biggest thing he needs to work on is proper cooldown usage. It doesn't look to me like he has any real idea of how to use them properly, and is losing a lot of dps because of it.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm probably going to get corrected by one of the better mages on this forum. I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about, but take what I said with a grain of salt until another mage says something along the same lines.

Assuming everything you mention here Is correct from the the log, I agree 100%. If he is only 4k behind I'm quite surprised, all of your list should be fixed by this guy.

[Piie]

Hi, I was looking through your mage's Butcher log and comparing it to a similar length Butcher log on December 19th (my gear was around 650 iLvL at the time, so gear's not the issue). I don't consider myself a great mage by any stretch of the imagination, but immediately from looking at the logs I can tell what was wrong: absolutely atrocious cooldown usage including poor prismatic crystal burst.

Graphing his Prismatic Crystal (green), Frozen Orb (yellow), Mirror Images (pink), Icy Veins (red), on-use trinkets (void shards and sudden clarity), potion (grey), and racial (red) tells me a lot of things.

WarcraftLogs Ability Graph comparison (16k dps vs 24.5k dps): Apparently, I'm "not allowed to post any links" until I make a few more posts on this account, so I can't link the graphs. I will send them to you in a PM.
EDIT: Apparently I can't pm anyone until I've posted 10 times, so this is pretty BS. I really want to help your mage out by giving you these logs. If you want the comparison logs, please send me a PM with an email or something so I can send you these logs.

1. Cooldowns should be used at the start of the fight with a prepot, icy veins, mirror images, both trinkets, racial, absolutely everything. There is no reason he should be wasting the first 20 seconds of the fight doing nothing but wasting his prepot casting frostbolt.
2. As a frost mage, every single cooldown you have should be used on cooldown except for Frozen Orb, which should be cast the GCD before Prismatic Crystal to guarentee maximum dps. The exception to this exception is if there's less than 30 seconds left on a fight, which is shown on my log at around the 4:00 mark.
3. No Re-pot on lust. I forgot to do this too because I'm a baddie.
4. Poor prismatic crystal burst. If you look below the graphs in the logs, you see the damage breakdown, which is pretty similar except for prismatic crystal. Although I had a 630iLvl weapon and a 615ilvl versatility trinket, my Prismatic Crystal damage is over 4 times higher than his. That's evidence of something seriously wrong with his playstyle, such as wasting GCDs in PC burst, poor PC placement and terrible cooldown stacking.
5. Also, hilariously, he meleed 4 times in that fight. That's pretty embarassing.

Solution: Here's a simple macro to give him that will help him succeed in properly timing his cooldowns.

#showtooltip Icy Veins
/cast Icy Veins
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Mirror Image

As long as he hits this macro every time a cooldown comes up (0 minutes, 2 minutes, 3 minutes, 4 minutes, 6 minutes, 8 minutes, 9 minutes, 10 minutes, etc.) and improves his prismatic crystal burst through practice, there's no reason why his dps shouldn't increase dramatically.

EDIT2: Trying to trick mmochampion to let me send a link. Replace the (DOT) with a period.
EDIT3: To get these links to work, you're going to have to delete the spaces that the mmochampion formatting puts in them. There's about 8 spaces in each that will make the link not work. I recommend pasting the link into Notepad and find-replace the spaces with nothing.

Your mage's log: www (DOT) warcraftlogs (DOT) com/reports/AXDJ1Z64BxwVHvLT#type=damage-done&fight=4&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24117721507.0.0.Mage%2 4true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24155152%5E0%24Separate%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%241 17721507.0.0.Mage%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2484721%5E0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24damage%2 40%240.0.0.Any%24117721507.0.0.Mage%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2459638%5E0%24Separate%24%2 3DF5353%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24117721507.0.0.Mage%24false%2412472%5E0%24Separ ate%24rgb(78%25,+61%25,+43%25)%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24117721507.0.0.Mage%24false%24176875%5E0%24Sepa rate%24%23a0a0a0%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24117721507.0.0.Mage%24false%24156426%5E0%24Sepa rate%24%23F43F5B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24117721507.0.0.Mage%24false%2433702%5E0%24Separ ate%24%23FFFF89%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24117721507.0.0.Mage%24false%24177594&source=17

My Log: www (DOT) warcraftlogs (DOT) com/reports/KmrqZ8BPxhVa2Gkz#fight=24&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24115553644.0.0.Mage%24true%24 0.0.0.Any%24false%24155152%5E0%24Separate%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24115553644 .0.0.Mage%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2484721%5E0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24damage%240%240.0 .0.Any%24115553644.0.0.Mage%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2459638%5E0%24Separate%24%23DF5353% 24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24115553644.0.0.Mage%24false%2412472%5E0%24Separ ate%24rgb(78%25,+61%25,+43%25)%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24115553644.0.0.Mage%24false%24156426%5E0%24Sepa rate%24%23a0a0a0%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24115553644.0.0.Mage%24false%2426297&source=2

[aLCuiN]

1. Cooldowns should be used at the start of the fight with a prepot, icy veins, mirror images, both trinkets, racial, absolutely everything. There is no reason he should be wasting the first 20 seconds of the fight doing nothing but wasting his prepot casting frostbolt.

#showtooltip Icy Veins
/cast Icy Veins
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Mirror Image

You shouldnt use IV while prepulling.
> -3 sec - MI
> -2 sec - Pre pot
> -1~ sec - frostbolt
> (water jet and FoF proc)
> another frost bolt
> BL (if order)
> Frozen orb
> Prysmatic C+IV <<<<--- THIS IS THE MOST PRIORTY FOR IV
> than spend FoF2x>FFB> if trinket proc active or 1x FoF proc active use IN>frostbolt
> after PC
> 2xFoF>FFB> fbolt as a filler
> save 1 IN stack for procs (if have 2x IN IMMEDIATELY spend 1 stack)


If you use IV while prepulling you lost a lot of dps cause you lost almost 4-5 sec for important things.

[Piie]

I definitely agree with saving IV for PC global, but what is the rationale of water jet + 2 frostbolts before burst? Doesn't that just waste FoF procs when Frozen Orb comes out?

[aLCuiN]

Nope.. This is for BL order or procs (trinket/Wep enc etc.) and make sure 1xFoF proc when PC landing with 100% change first FO strike...
- 1x FoF from water jet
- 1x FoF from first FO hit
This give 100% 2xFoF

[Sheridanjohn]

Saving IV for PC just means you have "leftover" after PC, however in your opener you use all your procs before this point so the leftover IV is used to proc un-PC'd ffb.

-3 MI
-1.5 Pot, IV, trinkets, frostbolt
BL (optional)
Frostbolt
Frozen Orb
PC
PC ENDS
water jet + 2 x frostbolt (both are under IL so generate procs)
2 x IL (if lust we miss 1 ice lance, if someone else lusts its fine)
1 x ffb if available
IV ends

[Ponk]

Saving IV for PC just means you have "leftover" after PC, however in your opener you use all your procs before this point so the leftover IV is used to proc un-PC'd ffb.

-3 MI
-1.5 Pot, IV, trinkets, frostbolt
BL (optional)
Frostbolt
Frozen Orb
PC
PC ENDS
water jet + 2 x frostbolt (both are under IL so generate procs)
2 x IL (if lust we miss 1 ice lance, if someone else lusts its fine)
1 x ffb if available
IV ends

IV and trinkets 1.5s before the pull? There's no way that can actually be correct? By your argument, immediately on the pull would be better, or in your case, after the instant TW/BL

[Deleted]

IV and trinkets 1.5s before the pull? There's no way that can actually be correct? By your argument, immediately on the pull would be better, or in your case, after the instant TW/BL

No, at 1,5sec it will affect the frostbolt that he pre-casts, making it do exactly the same thing as if you cast it later except this proc can be off-loaded into his PC which can't be done with a proc that you get after PC goes down.

[GutsTheWarrior]

Hey guys, I'm in this guild as well, we really appreciate all the help and information. Hopefully we'll be able to make some improvements with it. Thanks!

[Ponk]

No, at 1,5sec it will affect the frostbolt that he pre-casts, making it do exactly the same thing as if you cast it later except this proc can be off-loaded into his PC which can't be done with a proc that you get after PC goes down.

I see the thought process now, thank you for clarifying for me.

EDIT: Actually, upon further thought, doesn't this waste 2 IV GCDs on casting PC and FO?

[kaelleria]

Yes, yes you do....

[Deleted]

I see the thought process now, thank you for clarifying for me.

EDIT: Actually, upon further thought, doesn't this waste 2 IV GCDs on casting PC and FO?

Yeah, that's pretty terrible. After the opening FB it's FO into PC into IV into FB/FFB/IL spam. FFB does ridiculous damage, so wasting globals during IV is bad.